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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 4:37:20 GMT -7
How do you mount a T-jet body to a AFX style chassis without modifying the chassis base? The rules for X3 say no mods to chassis at all (body mount tabs?) and the guide pin must be in the stock location. From what I was told before hosting Doorslammers at my event that if the host runs any classes without following the current 2015 rules (min voltage, tire size, and such) then no points would be give for that class. Please help me I just want to learn. Boy are you the most negative person I have ever run across and are by far the biggest trouble maker on this site. Calling people names and trying to start trouble. What is your other hobby pulling wings off of fly's. Give the win to my son, no problem there as he had the race covered the whole time. Could care less about points. Did not see you at this race, yet you sure are looking for anything negative you can say. I guess you can't compete. Surely not with me. To me this is a fun site and I like working on the cars and racing them. Not looking for anything negative I can find. You however are trying to make this a miserable site to race on or be a part of. Please GO AWAY. We can sure do without uncalled for and not necessary
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Post by kiwidave on Apr 12, 2015 4:54:50 GMT -7
What Al said. Way to ruin someones thread. Having a hissy fit in public like a kid. Tom is a respected member here. I find your post offensive! Alan don't be discouraged rules can be challenged at anyone's race! Great coverage again!
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Post by AJR on Apr 12, 2015 5:16:11 GMT -7
I agree with Al and Kiwidave here. Tom has been on the site like many of us for several years and is a respected member as Kiwi stated. Rules questions and concerns come up during events all of the time. Those questions and concerns need to be addressed as to their validity. Cordell has the last word on any of these rulings. It is up to the Racemasters to ensure all cars are within the rules. I have run or been a part of 10 proxy races in four years and I have had my share of things thrown at me. I have also allowed cars to run that were pushing the limits of the rules. To me it's just how bad is the infraction. There is no need for name calling and insulting behavior. This issue with the cars does need to be resolved though. The only chassis that I have ever modified has been the 4 gear. I have always used chassis specific bodies for the other classes when using factory bodies.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Apr 12, 2015 5:17:44 GMT -7
What kind of reply is that to an alleged infraction to the rules Dave? That comes across as the Ole' Don't Look At Me, Look At Him. He is bad, he is negative, make him go away! Nice try dude....LMAO
Here is how you solve this problem pay attention. THE RACE MASTER JUST TECHS THE CAR!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 5:48:14 GMT -7
Normally I like to keep things on an even keel and with the very few races I have held I have never found the need to FULLY tech out a car. My reason for that is many however the primary reason I really do not want to tear down a car and reassemble it in hopes it will run as good as it did but that is the risk. Right now all I am seeing - - - - - excuse me - - -- hearing is bitc&&&&ing! I have yet to have seen a formal protest in any posting. Nothing upset me more then to see something like this occur. I work my a$$ off for this race and have a fair amount of money in this toy. ( YES THEY ARE TOYS) and all for what? I did all this for fun and relaxation and now this! I await a formal protest and I will make a MAPLE GROOVE in house requirement. The protest must come from a member who was entered in and ran in the X3 event. End of discussion or I will send my two crew members to pay your front lawn a visit! ALAN
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Post by 79malibu on Apr 12, 2015 5:53:51 GMT -7
I have been sitting on the sidelines and after 6 sessions of radiation I am almost cancer free but enough about me was thinking of coming back but all these cancelled races and bickering back and forth I have second thoughts and as far as rules they should be followed and enforced if it is not listed it is not legal plain and simple. tom has been my friend for 3 yrs. and helps me with my cars because of my handicap and is very knowledge so dave I think you were out of line and owe him an apology. on another subject I nwould like to see 20 racers with $20 dollar cars instead of 5 racers with $100 cars last time I looked we are trying to build ho racing up not tear it down going fast costs a lot of money and I cant chase trying to go fast.
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Post by 79malibu on Apr 12, 2015 6:00:23 GMT -7
alan I just saw your post about sending your crew members to pay someones front lawn a visit? are you kidding? is that a threat or a promise? better watch what you wish for.
mac
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 6:06:18 GMT -7
alan I just saw your post about sending your crew members to pay someones front lawn a visit? are you kidding? is that a threat or a promise? better watch what you wish for. mac Hi Mac! Why - you need some real good fertilizer for the lawn:) Regards, Alan
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Post by AJR on Apr 12, 2015 6:07:42 GMT -7
Normally I like to keep things on an even keel and with the very few races I have held I have never found the need to FULLY tech out a car. My reason for that is many however the primary reason I really do not want to tear down a car and reassemble it in hopes it will run as good as it did but that is the risk. Right now all I am seeing - - - - - excuse me - - -- hearing is bitc&&&&ing! I have yet to have seen a formal protest in any posting. Nothing upset me more then to see something like this occur. I work my a$$ off for this race and have a fair amount of money in this toy. ( YES THEY ARE TOYS) and all for what? I did all this for fun and relaxation and now this! I await a formal protest and I will make a MAPLE GROOVE in house requirement. The protest must come from a member who was entered in and ran in the X3 event. End of discussion or I will send my two crew members to pay your front lawn a visit! ALAN We all work hard to put on events and teching cars and adhering to the rules happens to be the responsibility of the Racemasters. These particular issues can be looked at without disassembly of the car. I wholeheartedly agree that cars should NEVER be disassembled before a race.....but they should go through a visual inspection. If rules are not going to be observed or enforced then it should be an exhibition at that point. I'm not trying to take anything away from Dave....he builds some fast cars. But the rules are there for all of us and there for a reason. I cannot argue your requirement to have a formal protest come from a race participant Al, but I think it is disrespectful to not address it any better than this. I think Cordell should be the one to have the last word here.
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Post by AJR on Apr 12, 2015 6:09:03 GMT -7
alan I just saw your post about sending your crew members to pay someones front lawn a visit? are you kidding? is that a threat or a promise? better watch what you wish for. mac Hi Mac! Why - you need some real good fertilizer for the lawn:) Regards, Alan LOL.............this reply from a MODERATOR. Nice!! You know this all could have been handled very easily and professionally. I guess that would have been too easy. Why don't you back up and start over. No need to get all offended. Believe me I know it's difficult sometimes, but there is no need for this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 6:10:18 GMT -7
I have been sitting on the sidelines and after 6 sessions of radiation I am almost cancer free but enough about me was thinking of coming back but all these cancelled races and bickering back and forth I have second thoughts and as far as rules they should be followed and enforced if it is not listed it is not legal plain and simple. tom has been my friend for 3 yrs. and helps me with my cars because of my handicap and is very knowledge so dave I think you were out of line and owe him an apology. on another subject I nwould like to see 20 racers with $20 dollar cars instead of 5 racers with $100 cars last time I looked we are trying to build ho racing up not tear it down going fast costs a lot of money and I cant chase trying to go fast. mac Outstanding to hear of your issue with the C. Do not let the cancelled races and bickering prevent you from coming back. Every once in a while we have a little fire storm but it goes out. Yo got time to get a Gasser ready for May? Lets do it! ALan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 6:30:11 GMT -7
Normally I like to keep things on an even keel and with the very few races I have held I have never found the need to FULLY tech out a car. My reason for that is many however the primary reason I really do not want to tear down a car and reassemble it in hopes it will run as good as it did but that is the risk. Right now all I am seeing - - - - - excuse me - - -- hearing is bitc&&&&ing! I have yet to have seen a formal protest in any posting. Nothing upset me more then to see something like this occur. I work my a$$ off for this race and have a fair amount of money in this toy. ( YES THEY ARE TOYS) and all for what? I did all this for fun and relaxation and now this! I await a formal protest and I will make a MAPLE GROOVE in house requirement. The protest must come from a member who was entered in and ran in the X3 event. End of discussion or I will send my two crew members to pay your front lawn a visit! ALAN We all work hard to put on events and teching cars and adhering to the rules happens to be the responsibility of the Racemasters. These particular issues can be looked at without disassembly of the car. I wholeheartedly agree that cars should NEVER be disassembled before a race.....but they should go through a visual inspection. If rules are not going to be observed or enforced then it should be an exhibition at that point. I'm not trying to take anything away from Dave....he builds some fast cars. But the rules are there for all of us and there for a reason. I cannot argue your requirement to have a formal protest come from a race participant Al, but I think it is disrespectful to not address it any better than this. I think Cordell should be the one to have the last word here. Relax JJ - I am in communications with Cordell Alan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 6:51:29 GMT -7
I know the work involved running races, been doing it pretty steady for 30+/- years. only hosted one proxy race and that was fun and yet quite demanding. fortunately I had a seasoned veteran to help me with a couple questions about minor things. I too, dislike teching cars. yet a cursory look over of a car as it is entered is a good idea. once eliminations begin and at some time it is discovered that a car doesn't meet spec, it is a diservice to any that have been eliminated by that car. all too often the car in violation is very fast. I was under the impression that the top two cars in every class would be spec teched. I didn't know this was race master discretionary.
the bottom line is, feelings get hurt and grudges are formed. as has been said, we are trying to promote. recently a series of posts regarding rewinding in order to bring more people in was thoroughly discussed in a civil manner.
one simple session like this drives away more interest than adding or changing rules attracts new blood.
none of us are error free and we all need to deal with a dissapointing situation sometimes. it is all in how we handle such irregularities that define our character.
I am in favor of continuing participation in proxy racing. I was unable to prepare cars for this event for personal reasons, but had 1/43 cars ready and sent them in.
had this situation about chassis modification come to light before the eliminations a ruling could have been made and adhered to. trying to get the cows BACK in the barn when the door has been left open is an awful lot of work.
I hope a fair conclusion can be arrived at and all animosities be dissolved regarding THIS issue.
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Post by 79malibu on Apr 12, 2015 7:34:28 GMT -7
well said al and alan both lets all step back take a deep breath and continue what we love best RACING!!!
mac
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Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Apr 12, 2015 7:46:42 GMT -7
All I did was as a question about what I saw. As for tech of what I saw all that was needed is knowledge of the rules and a glance at the car to see why I ask such a thing. I didn't call anyone names or go off about it and as for negative check the first couple post I made at the beginning of this event. It was me looking forward to this event as a spectator and at that point none of the cars were pictured yet to ask before the event was run.
Relax, I don't need your apologies. You should always want to do the right thing on your own.
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