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Post by ninjatek on Dec 20, 2014 8:44:48 GMT -7
Below are direct links to build assignments for classes run for the 2015 NTRA race calendar. The links give chassis builds only, click here for class body descriptions . Click build label to right of class name to see build assignments. TJET CHASSIS BUILDSAFX / MAGNA / X-TRACTION CHASSIS BUILDS| STREET | X1 | | PRO STREET | X2 | | SUPER PRO STREET | X3 |
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Post by pceng on Dec 20, 2014 17:14:49 GMT -7
Links.to builds from list is great idea !
Ques's... on inline builds...
N 1 - How is stock being defined ? Is it as from original mfg ? Various versions of the same chassis are available from several mfg's. Have recently seen cars being marketed with 3 ohm arms for less than most with 6 ohm arms. Are these considered "re-manufactured" and not legal ? Those that I've seen are built with Tyco chassis.
MM/PS - ISRA , Are timing advances on arms allowed ? Remember subject brought up...... but, no final word.
tia......... Peter
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Post by ninjatek on Dec 20, 2014 18:29:27 GMT -7
Links.to builds from list is great idea ! Ques's... on inline builds... N 1 - How is stock being defined ? Is it as from original mfg ? Various versions of the same chassis are available from several mfg's. Have recently seen cars being marketed with 3 ohm arms for less than most with 6 ohm arms. Are these considered "re-manufactured" and not legal ? Those that I've seen are built with Tyco chassis. MM/PS: ISRA , Are timing advances on arms allowed ? Remember subject brought up...... but, no final word. tia......... Peter Stock as being from the original manufacturer. If the chassis you have seen marketed with 3 ohms armatures are sold that way by the original manufacturer that is still considered to be stock. If the armature is an upgrade from a third party builder then that is considered to be a "re-worked" or "re-manufactured" build and not legal as a N1 build. MM/PS - ISRA: "DeWinding of Armature or Advancing/Retarding Commutator is NOT allowed. . . . Armature must be readily available." Hope this helps. |
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Post by pceng on Dec 20, 2014 18:52:37 GMT -7
Links.to builds from list is great idea ! Ques's... on inline builds... N 1 - How is stock being defined ? Is it as from original mfg ? Various versions of the same chassis are available from several mfg's. Have recently seen cars being marketed with 3 ohm arms for less than most with 6 ohm arms. Are these considered "re-manufactured" and not legal ? Those that I've seen are built with Tyco chassis. MM/PS: ISRA , Are timing advances on arms allowed ? Remember subject brought up...... but, no final word. tia......... Peter Stock as being from the original manufacturer. If the chassis you have seen marketed with 3 ohms armatures are sold that way by the original manufacturer that is still considered to be stock. If the armature is an upgrade from a third party builder then that is considered to be a "re-worked" or "re-manufactured" build and not legal as a N1 build. MM/PS - ISRA: "DeWinding of Armature or Advancing/Retarding Commutator is NOT allowed. . . . Armature must be readily available." Hope this helps.Thanks was curious about mm/ps. Concerned about N 1........ understand where its going but where is line drawn. If improved versions of re-manufactuured cars are not allowed. Where does this leave chassis like the Patriot, G3, and now Viper. And also parts ? What might be needed is an ohm minimum....... just trying to help avoid any future problems. ........ Peter |
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Post by ninjatek on Dec 21, 2014 15:43:36 GMT -7
Concerned about N 1........ understand where its going but where is line drawn. If improved versions of re-manufactuured cars are not allowed. Where does this leave chassis like the Patriot, G3, and now Viper. And also parts ? What might be needed is an ohm minimum....... just trying to help avoid any future problems. ........ Peter As far as a N1 build re-worked chassis are out in the cold. But plenty of room for them in N2 and N3 builds. The 2015 calendar as scheduled only use N2 for inline builds, so those chassis and parts are allowed. As worded these chassis can be used in MM/PS, but will need to comply with rules as to parts used. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:28:21 GMT -7
the only "stock" chassis with a "stock" 3+/- armature is the Mattel version of the Tyco 440 X2.
I believe they are designated HP or something similar.
nearly all other stock from manufacturer inline 1/64 scale slot cars have 6 ohm or 9 ohm armatures.
I would presume that putting a Mattel 3 ohm armature in a Tyco 440 X2 chassis would violate the intention of the guidelines.
I hope this helps make clear the intention of the rules to provide an equal plane for all to compete on.
there can be grey areas that can be picked apart until 2114 at least.
the whole idea is to try to understand the simplicity of certain class builds and stay within those parameters.
I offer anyone that feels the inclination to go beyond what is plainly understood as far as rules go, to let me know what you want the plaque to read and I will gladly make it to your specifications and ship it to you free.
no need to go to all that trouble building something that will eclipse everything else in the class but not actually be class legal.
just let me know how many plagues you want and what you want them to say.
free.
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Post by pceng on Dec 21, 2014 22:00:45 GMT -7
the only "stock" chassis with a "stock" 3+/- armature is the Mattel version of the Tyco 440 X2. I believe they are designated HP or something similar. nearly all other stock from manufacturer inline 1/64 scale slot cars have 6 ohm or 9 ohm armatures. I would presume that putting a Mattel 3 ohm armature in a Tyco 440 X2 chassis would violate the intention of the guidelines. I hope this helps make clear the intention of the rules to provide an equal plane for all to compete on. there can be grey areas that can be picked apart until 2114 at least. the whole idea is to try to understand the simplicity of certain class builds and stay within those parameters. I offer anyone that feels the inclination to go beyond what is plainly understood as far as rules go, to let me know what you want the plaque to read and I will gladly make it to your specifications and ship it to you free. no need to go to all that trouble building something that will eclipse everything else in the class but not actually be class legal. just let me know how many plagues you want and what you want them to say. free. Al, May have been HPx2...... see that used for re-makes. Not sure if same as Mattel used. I assume your presumption of not using a 3 ohm correct. But my understanding of the intentions behind rules , or yours. Was not the reason for pointing out this "grey area". In 3 or 6 months from now someone may look at rules that has no conception of what intentions may have been. They may presume 3ohms to be legal. One reason being is that it could be looked at as an equalizing factor. And allowed as rules read. Adding 6ohm min to rules eliminates grey area. And any issues that could arise because of it. Matters have arose in the past because of such grey areas. I know Cordell, has spent a lot of time with re-formating rules. Thought it best to point this out now before possible issues could arise. If you made up a few plaques with just DQ'd...... you could cut down on shipping time........ lol. ........ Peter |
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Post by sjracer on Dec 22, 2014 4:37:55 GMT -7
Actually the Lifelike Fast Trackers ohm right around 3.0
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 16:34:13 GMT -7
thanx for that news man.
I don't have much experience with those chassis.
it is good to know those details.
thank you
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Post by louie on Jan 20, 2015 0:46:00 GMT -7
I'm new here and looking into building a couple cars for fun to send in. I haven't done this before and I'm new to slots in general. I have a few Tyco cars that came out of the bubble with 3.5 ohm armatures in them. Are they legal I'm kinda confused by reading the comments here. Also like when it speaks of brush tubes are adjustable tubes ok as long as they fit in the stock location? And just for clarity the gears. It says stock replacement does that mean if it come out of the bubble with 7t and 25t that's what we have to stick with or is it referring to the width and wheels. Ooh I'm sure you know but I'm referring to the n1 class. And on the n 3 from what i take of it its pretty much run what ya bring unlimited class? Thanks in advance
Lewis
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Post by ninjatek on Jan 20, 2015 8:40:18 GMT -7
louie, welcome to Nitroslots! Your Tyco cars are legal for N1 build racing. The wording on bush tubing is to imply no timing adjustments allowed bush tube positioning if it not a property of the chassis in stock condition. So, upgrading to adjustable brush tubes is allowed so long as they as used in the same timing position as original. You are correct about gearing, pinion and crown gears may be replaced (using a different material if desired) but must use same tooth count per gear (otherwise, maintain same gear ratio). Tire size may be used to simulate gear ratio manipulation. N3 is an unlimited build with the exception of 3.0 ohm arm limit. Now that you know you understand the rules correctly, the bad news. Neither N1 or N3 races are scheduled to run this year. Providing the magnets used in these chassis do not violate the rules, you could run them among the MM/PS class running in May and July events. If you are certain that the hobby is something you intend to be doing for a little while you may want to consider obtaining some of the other chassis types. Upcoming races that would be easy to jump into are Stock ( TJ1) and Super Stock ( TJ2), Street ( X1), and Nostalgia Funny Car ( 4G1). Most of these are pretty much out of the box stock racers and can be competitive with some tweaking. Hope this helps. If you have more questions, everyone here is helpful and most quite skilled on various subjects pertaining to the hobby. |
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Post by pceng on Jan 20, 2015 9:25:54 GMT -7
Again welcome ,
Thank you, Ninjatek. For the clarification on arms for this class (it was needed).
I believe a request has been made to add the N1 class to the 2015 schedule in October. Whether it will count for yearly point totals or not I do not know , since request.was made after schedule release. If for points or not race will take place along with other scheduled classes. One of which might be considered a N3 class, anything goes. EXCEPT races are run on 22v walpaks, so amperage is low. Extreme builds do not work well. 3 ohm arms have won race past two years.
Hope to see you at the races......... Peter
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Post by lewis on Jan 20, 2015 10:11:05 GMT -7
Thanks guys for quick reply.i love the forum so much info on here for newbies my daughter actually got me into slots she is 9 and still knows more than me. This has become our father daughter project and hoping to get my son involved. My girl is in stlp racing to the future in school where they hold regional races to qualify for state championship. So far we have done really good winning first place in all races to qualify for state. We have been using Tyco cars since amperage is so low on the track and there easy fo us to build. I'm not real familiar with pancake cars but the sound fun I'm gonna try my hand with those next. Can you all do some explaining on how the timing on a inline arm works and maybe how to time a arm and what tools are used to do it for instance on a Tyco arm and what is the benefits. Also are there entry fees to send a car to race or a membership fee. Also where would I look to find the address to ship the car. Thanks sorry for all the questions and long post. Thanks lewis
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Post by ninjatek on Jan 20, 2015 10:20:21 GMT -7
. . . add the N1 class to the 2015 schedule in October. . . . along with other scheduled classes. One of which might be considered a N3 class, anything goes. TBA(N1) just added to the October lineup. So lewis, there will be a N1 race in October with the possibility of N3 added. |
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Post by lewis on Jan 20, 2015 10:33:55 GMT -7
Sounds great I will definitely have a couple cars there. I may get smoked but its part of learning lol or at least that's the excuse I'm sticking to.. Plus it will give me a reason to try my hand on some different chassis thanks
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