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Post by bondoman2k on Aug 9, 2008 6:48:53 GMT -7
OK gang... I need some kind of how-to on making wheelie bars for Tyco and LifeLike chassis  . I have recently purchased quite a few of them (CHEAP! lol  ) and wanna put bars on them. I have absoloutely NO clue as to where to start on these. ANY help would be much appreciated! ;D Ron  |
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Post by johnbalich on Aug 9, 2008 10:39:57 GMT -7
we are thinking aboput designing some styrene plastic weheelie system that would easy to fabricate for those who dont solder. Being styreen , it could be a bar (like a push bar) that contacts the track surface in a rubbing fashion. It is thot that no damage to track would occur. Any one want to tackle this one?
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Post by bondoman2k on Aug 9, 2008 19:16:21 GMT -7
Actually, the only thing I can think of on that styrene setup might be making sure of what you use to glue or 'fuse' the plastic. Not sure how much torque these little cars put out, but too much might 'destroy' that setup.  Might be something I could tackle, being a model builder for the last 30 years or so. Got any 'preliminary' plans or 'drawings'? I actually been wanting to try doing these and 'spring loading' them using inkpen springs on the end of the struts, but I really think that just might be too much for these little cars..just might be overkill, if ya know what I mean. Any thoughts on that? Ron |
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Post by nightrider on Aug 9, 2008 19:24:26 GMT -7
ron,,
When I ran Tyco chasssis in the 90's we used brass rod.. for the rails.. and a brass tube to hold the axle.. for the wheels.. which we made out of very small black tubing.. hobby lobby sells glass beads that serve well as wheels now.. same set up as Sam uses I believe.. as for gluing to the chassis,, bad idea.. even super glue has problems grabbing the plastic the chassis are made of.. back n the day. I drilled the tail panel.. and mounted the wheelie bar in the holes..and then the super glue would hold em.. I have one car left from those days.. I will try to get some pics of the set up on my P/S tyco and show you how I did it then... If I"m lucky tomorrow night I can get the pictures done..
As for the spring load.. for appearance it would be cool. but wrapping the bars with some wire would be much easier. If you are running strong traction magnets.. you won't need the shock absorber anyway.. most of the time you want the wheelie bars pretty stiff.. any give in them will defeat the purpose of keeping the front end down..
Later
Chris..
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Post by SKR on Aug 18, 2008 15:54:57 GMT -7
Hey Ron, here is a shot of some wheelie bars mounted to a inline chassis. After drilling the holes I set the chassis on a piece of track. You'll see the blue tape (actually two pieces of tape stacked) under the wheelie bars. I use this to shim the bars. This gets them close to the track without touching. From here I use a rubber band to hold the wheelie bars down and epoxy around where the bars and chassis meet. Hope this helps you out. Sam  |
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Post by bondoman2k on Aug 19, 2008 5:23:25 GMT -7
Thanks Sam! Also thanks to Nightrider for all his help on these too (he gave me actual measurements on these too). They sound and look fairly easy, I should be able to do these! ;D One question tho Sam...I see two bars on each side. I assume one is an 'upper' strut? In the pic it's not real clear whether it's above the other or next to it, but I am assuming it would be on top? (But then we all know what happens when we 'assume'...LOL ;D |
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Post by SKR on Aug 20, 2008 7:58:29 GMT -7
Yeah Ron it's above. I add these to make them look a little more realistic.
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Post by Dusted on Jan 11, 2009 9:15:31 GMT -7
what wheels do you use for the bars, they are really small and where do you get them
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Post by bondoman2k on Jan 11, 2009 9:45:38 GMT -7
Dusted, wheels are actually glass beads..read Nightrider's post above. Come in a a package or box (I got a box..think it has like 5000 of them?  ;D) Got mine at Micheals, but Hobby Lobby carries them..WalMart might carry smaller amounts if they have a craft section in your store. Pretty sure they are called "Seed Beads", you'll know them when you see them. Come in a lot of different colors. Not expensive either. Ron (Bondo) |
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Post by Dusted on Jan 11, 2009 17:59:05 GMT -7
I misunderstood when Nightrider said thats what he used I thought these were small tires, they look like little baloon tires cool!
thank you
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Post by slotcar64 on Jan 12, 2009 7:40:47 GMT -7
Quick & dirty wheelie bars for any HO dragster - Flatten the heads sideways of 2 #20 straight pins
and simply heat & push into rear of chassis. ... paint the head black.
Nice chromed look, too.
Can also use small cuts of & 17 straight pins and superglue or solder cross bars for a finished look.
OOOPS - I ment heat ANOTHER PIN and make the holes in the chassis then push the wheelie bar pin(s) in - don't want to discolor the chrome
Can also drill holes first.
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Post by bondoman2k on Jan 12, 2009 11:37:05 GMT -7
Actually the pics Sam put in DO look like some kind of small wheel with a o-ring on them? I haven't found orings quite that small yet.. Any info on that Sam? But for mine, I use the small seed beads. There are actually a few different ways to do them, since they really don't do much anyway (IF you have traction magnets that is..lol ) Slotcar64's sound pretty easy too. Too bad they aren't SUPER easy to do, since my CT REALLY acts up when I'm doin that 'small stuff' ....LOL!!!! ;D Ron (Bondo) Bondoman's Racing and Resins |
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Post by SKR on Jan 12, 2009 14:56:30 GMT -7
The ones I use are glass beads also. I picked them up at Hobby Lobby. The label came off so I am not sure who they are from.
Any pictures of your pin wheelie bar set up slotcar64?
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Post by kdog on Jan 12, 2009 15:43:26 GMT -7
Me to those sound like they could be very short and hide under some bodies. If you don't get photos up don't worry, I'm headed toward Wal Mart sewing dept. now.....Thanks great tip!
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Post by kdog on Jan 16, 2009 6:12:32 GMT -7
Don't know how Slotcar 64's pin wheelie bars end up looking, but here is my first attmept.....   They look very realistic, I bent the pins right at the head roughly shaped them. Than drilled holes slightly smaller than the pin diameter, and forced them into the chassis from th bottom up. I than fine tuned the bend by removing the pin Bent them and stuck them back into the chassis, untill it was the correct shape. I used 1/16 inch aluminum tubing glued to the pin sticking thru the chassis than added some more super glue around this aluminum washer to lock the bar into position. I painted the heads black, and I'm ready to roll. Great tip Slotcar 64 I'll let everyone know how they work in a real race after this week drag race. |
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. I have recently purchased quite a few of them (CHEAP! lol 
) and wanna put bars on them. I have absoloutely NO clue as to where to start on these.
;D) Got mine at Micheals, but Hobby Lobby carries them..WalMart might carry smaller amounts if they have a craft section in your store. Pretty sure they are called "Seed Beads", you'll know them when you see them. Come in a lot of different colors. Not expensive either. 
