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Post by 440gtx on Oct 20, 2010 21:12:40 GMT -7
I think this is where we are so far.
1960-1975 muscle car body. wheel wells can not be cut and the body may not be lowered by moving the mounts.
stock armature for the chassis type selected. no modifying the arm except for polishing the com. 14 ohm min.
stock motor magnets for the chassis selected. only 2 magnets per car.
AW/JL or Aurora factory wheels and front tires. rear tires may be replaced with slip-on silicone .480" max diameter
gears must be stock.
no braids or shunts allowed.
items still in discussion,
any available brushes, springs and shoes or stock only?
Magnatraction and X-traction chassis or X-traction only?
Matt
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Post by scottman2007 on Oct 20, 2010 21:37:47 GMT -7
Matt i like everything and my answers in the red areas follows. Any brushes,shoes,springs that are available,.. shoes and springs are easy to change and very low cost. Any magnatraction and X traction chassis,if it AW Jl,or NOS. Also no decals ,because then it becomes just another stock class with a different chassis.
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 21, 2010 2:56:53 GMT -7
I guess being a Mopar guy I haven't paid much attention to the GM and Ford slot bodies. We might have a problem with the 60-75 body selection for the Ford and GM people.
As far as I can tell the only Ford that falls between those years is the discontinued JL mustang. the mustang bodies are still available online and they are a pretty good looking body.
The GM's that fit the bill are the AW 71 camaro, 72 chevelle stocker, that could be modified to a street version and the jl yenco camaro from the fast and furious series.
There's not much of a selection for the the Ford camp. If we open the window up to 1976 they could at least run the '76 torino. I think that Sam would look good in the Starsky and Hutch car. ;D
Just more to think about.
Matt
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Post by nosubfor3 on Oct 21, 2010 4:45:30 GMT -7
I think this is where we are so far. 1960-1975 muscle car body. wheel wells can not be cut and the body may not be lowered by moving the mounts. stock armature for the chassis type selected. no modifying the arm except for polishing the com. 14 ohm min. stock motor magnets for the chassis selected. only 2 magnets per car. AW/JL or Aurora factory wheels and front tires. rear tires may be replaced with slip-on silicone .480" max diameter gears must be stock. no braids or shunts allowed. items still in discussion,
any available brushes, springs and shoes or stock only?
Magnatraction and X-traction chassis or X-traction only? Matt[/quote Remember this is a box stock class we are trying to create. We want to attract new racers who can buy a car and race with out trying out a bunch of combinations of parts to see whats best . Allowing after market any thing starts a parts chase. The only after market mechanical thing should be rear silicons. As far as bodys. Trax Hobbies has resion bodys for Tomy and AFX. Again if the rules will allow resion and a racer is willing to spend the money there is another option to consider. Allowing X-traction chassis is ok IF the magnet is removed. Like the Aw 4gear in F/C.
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 21, 2010 5:31:57 GMT -7
not all x-tractions have a dot traction magnet, just the ultra g has a traction mag. I think that the "only 2 magnets per car covers that"
Box stock might be a great class for road racing or oval racing where the driver has a lot to do with the performance of the cars. In drags you need a smooth fast car. All the driver does is try to cut a good light then grip and grin. As for the noobies just getting started, if they aren't in the quick 8 they race the next closest qualifier. That sounds pretty fair to me.
Honestly replacing brushes and changing shoes isn't that difficult. I was doing it when I was 6 years old. Nothing says that you have to change the brushes and shoes but the option is there if you choose to. My quickest X-traction still has the stock shoes on it but why limit me to just those? The AW shoes are paper thin and bend super easy. If you ever buy a complete car the shoes will be bent from the way that they package them. The flat spot that contacts the rails will be concave and only the front and back tip will touch the rail.
Why even change the tires? If everybody runs the stock tires that makes it more even. The cars with more power might spin and be slower than the under powered cars. That could even things out even more.
If we decide to run stock brushes and shoes then we should have to run stock AW/JL tires also.
I'm going to bed
later Matt
ps I'm not trying to start an argument or offend anyone, I'm just trying to get a set of rules that the majority can live with.
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L_Brown
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Post by L_Brown on Oct 21, 2010 5:32:29 GMT -7
Something to think about. If everyone started off with a Johnny Lightning or Auto World (basically the same) stock car and was only allowed to change rear tires and tune with what everyone else has... I think we would see some close racing. Factory Muscle cars with no hop ups other than rear tires is my vote. If there is much interest then add a class later with basic hop ups using the same bodies and allow drag car decals on them. I agree with Sam, This is my vote.....Change nothing except rear slip ons .
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Post by ninjatek on Oct 21, 2010 12:29:02 GMT -7
Perhaps the event itself could mediate the differences between newbie vs the advance builder. The event could host two classes, one Stock and the Super Stock. Stock could be the entry point for newbies, while the Super Stock will allow experienced builder an opportunity to tweak and personalize his car. To insure that both classes get enough entries, have a two car limit per class with a compulsory requirement for Super Stock entries. A builders first entry in the Super Stock race must be accompanied by no less than one entry in the Stock race. This way if most builders elect to enter the Super Stock race, it will insure that a low number of newbies don't end up being the only ones at their party. The race registration would be like this: 1 entry for Stock only, no compulsory requirements. 2 entry for Stock only, no compulsory requirements. 1 entry for Super Stock must enter at least 1 Stock (up to 2 Stock). 2 entries in Super Stock must enter at least 1 Stock (up to 2 Stock). The compulsory requirement may seem slightly in favor of the newbies and possibly unfair to advance builders. Well, it's suppose to favor newbies. I would think that the experienced builders would want to do whatever they could to help the hobby grow. For the hobby to grow, it must have entry points and be attractive to newcomers. I think this is a fair compromise and hopefully does not place any hardship on either side. This also allows someone who is just beyond newbie, the option to try advance building to further their knowledge. Stock- Basically out of the box with the only mods being comm polishing and slip on tires on the rear. Any magnatraction/ X-traction chassis. Super Stock- Any brushes, springs and shoes. Must be readily available. Any stock wheels, slip-ons up to .485 . Any magnatraction/ X-traction chassis. I really don't know what is out there to address the body style issue. Kick that around and see where it lands. My .02 (keep this up we may end up with a dollar)
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Post by scottman2007 on Oct 21, 2010 12:29:24 GMT -7
OK I give..Lets just use any magantraction chassis,JL,AW,Or NOS and the only thing we change is Rear tires ,because if not we could be on here forever,back and forth of why this and not this. Lets do stock ,and change rear tires..So make it so number One. But lets make it one class,not S/S,or any advance version.lets make it one class. i think we are trying to hard.
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Post by eddiebee on Oct 21, 2010 12:42:41 GMT -7
I totally agree with completely stock and the only change to be the rear tires. I'm still trying to figure out how to build a competitive T-jet car so I sure don't want to get behind the 8 ball with another class. Plus it would be a lot easier to get new racers also if changes were not allowed.
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wood
Pro Stock
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Post by wood on Oct 21, 2010 13:11:09 GMT -7
hey all
my .02 is afx,aw,jl chassis. 14 ohm or higher arm any brush any .491 or smaller black slip on any factory wheel that was on above mentioned chassis muscle car body (year not important to me) no mixing of brands 13.8v
in the end matt make the call and im sure the rest of us will all come play! a Thanksgiving race sounds great.
wood
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 21, 2010 14:12:05 GMT -7
Honestly, I really don't expect this class to bring any new racers to the events. I just thought it would be a cool class with a neat race format.
There are over 400 members on this board and we can barely fill a 16 car field, even in classes that have been run for a couple years.
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Post by SKR on Oct 21, 2010 17:09:43 GMT -7
LOL, Pulled your hair out yet Matt? Starky and Hutch.... Hmm Momma said I couldn't handle a V8 Matt does have the last say on the rules since he is trying to form a new class. I guess my reasons for wanting these rules: Stock JL or AW X-Traction Only rear tires can be changed out No After market electrical system or gears Muscle car bodies with no racing decals (Contingency/Car Names)Alllow polishing and tuning with what parts are on the caris for some of the reasons stated above. Yeah we have over 400 members and still have low car counts at Proxy racing but Proxy racing isn't for everyone. It does give guys a chance to compete in some drag racing action even if they don't have a track of their own to race on. So how do you get more involvement? I really don't know but I think if we had a class that was cheap and didn't have many variables as to what you could do to a car might be a little more appealing to some rather than intimidating. Yeah we all know that a pick up shoe or brush change is pretty easy but if I was a newbie and wanted to race I might think that I need to order some of these aftermarket hop ups to compete which could turn a $13 to $15 car into a $30 investment once parts are bought and shipping is paid for and then not really knowing what I'm going to with the stuff once I get it. As many of know, Hobby Lobby is now carrying X-Tractions. If you sign up on their website they will send you a 40% off discount coupon just about every week to your email box for you to use on anything in the store (Thanks HT, for the tip). This is good news for those that have a Hobby Lobby near by. To me NF/C is the class that already allows aftermarket shoes, brushes etc..... Why not have a spec class with only a tire change? I think it's time we go back to learning how to walk before we start another sprint.
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 21, 2010 17:39:42 GMT -7
OK, unless someone can change my mind this is what I think we should go with.
Autoworld/johnny lightning chassis. no non-AW/JL parts allowed except changing the rear tires .485" max diameter and no wider than the rim. Cleaning and polishing the Com is allowed.
Any American performance type street car body allowed including AW's new Challenger and Camaro bodies. If you want to run a LL Mustang, mounts may be installed to fit a legal chassis. Bodies may not be otherwise cut or modified. Wheel wells may not be cut to lower the body and the tires may not be tucked inside the body to allow lowering. The body must have a factory street look to it. No snorkle scoops or wings allowed.
We will race with the F.A.S.T. format described earlier in the post. At races that allow 2 entries, owners that qualify both cars in the quick 8 will only be allowed to race their top qualifier for the reasons stated earlier. If 8 cars or less show up for the race all cars will race heads up for the Top eliminator title. If you send 2 cars and 1 qualifies in the top 8 and the other is outside the top 8, both cars race. If both cars qualify outside the top 8, both cars get to race.
This class should be called Street with the option of running Pro Street at a later date. Pro Street would allow aftermarket parts including Mean Green Arms.
This set of chassis rules seems to be what the majority that I have heard from wants.
Any objections or comments? Did I forget anything?
Matt
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Blue
Pro Stock
TKS Modelsports
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Post by Blue on Oct 21, 2010 17:59:13 GMT -7
Works for me! Thanks
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wood
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Post by wood on Oct 21, 2010 18:09:35 GMT -7
I'm in!
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