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Post by yellerstang on Oct 10, 2017 10:04:07 GMT -7
Hi all,
Im a Tjet die hard. I need some info, as I havent bought an inline car in a long time... Who makes the fastest out of the box inline magnetic traction slot car? Im talking old Tyco 440, Super G+, G+, Lifelike T or M? Racing a timed 1/4 mile...
I want to build a blueprinted inline, completely stock car.
Suggestions please... thanks kindly.
Jesse
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Post by dave632 on Oct 10, 2017 12:22:32 GMT -7
Cars vary a lot right out of the box they vary as much as snowflakes. I have raced all of the above mentioned cars but few of mine are completely stock. Currently the quickest 6 ohm inline nearly stock car, it has braid, is a Tyco440X. It has run as quick as .53 in the 1000' 1/64 scale at 25 mph. The quickest car without braid is a Tomy super G+ which has run .55s @ 24 mph on my track which has dual 30 amp supplies. Like I said no 2 run alike. I have about 30 Tomy Super G+ cars and they vary greatly, about .2 second from the quickest to the slowest. As far as my guess for the quickest out of the box car I would pick the Tomy super G+ or a Tyco 440 as a starter but you might get one that aint so hot. BSRT, scale auto, makes a hot stock car that would beat the production cars but it costs 100.00 and I would not consider it stock at my races. Just for comparison stock cars that I have put on the track right out of the box have never run quicker than .8s at around 16 mph. The slowest out of the box cars are T jets and 4 gears. Some T jets are lucky to hit 5 mph and some 4 gears run 7-8 mph stock.
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Post by yellerstang on Oct 11, 2017 7:11:36 GMT -7
So, the 440 and Super G series cars are competitive in stock class, slip on silones racing... I dont have any of the Super G cars, but I do have a few old 440 cars that I know are indeed stock.
So... its gonna be a blueprinted 440, slip ons, a wheelie bar and a drag body.
Anyone else wanna weigh in on this? Thanks
Jess
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Post by dave632 on Oct 11, 2017 8:16:36 GMT -7
Braid on the pickups really wakes those 440 chassis up. Try it with and without to see what I mean.
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Post by yellerstang on Oct 11, 2017 9:48:09 GMT -7
Yeah, braids work well. I have built quite a few cars in the past and Im familiar with what it takes to make them work. I have just been out of the "loop" on inline cars because our focus has been Tjets for the last 20 years. We dont race any inlines, they have fallen to the status of "track cleaners".
I have not purchased a new inline car since the Wizzard Patriots were new in the late 1990s. That was the LAST time that we bought anything that wasnt Tjet or AFX/Magnatraction based.
So, what do you think is a decent et and mph for a stock car with slip ons and a wheelie bar? 1/8 and/or 1/4 mile...
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Post by dave632 on Oct 11, 2017 13:19:30 GMT -7
My track is 15.5' or 1000' 1/64 and that is what I have reference to. Most of the NTRA tracks run this distance as the 1/4 mile requires a 21' track + stopping distance. My track is 22' long but the last part is all stopping distance. Average out of the box times I have seen for inlines are in the .7s for the very best to about 1.2 seconds for the slowest with mph in the 16-17 mph range for the best. For prepared box stock cars without braid the best I have seen was in the low to mid .6s at about 20 mph. Once again this is on my track which has 2 30 amp power supplies and generally ETs are about .05 quicker here. The Tyco 440 in my opinion is a good starting point. One of the quickest stock type I have is a Tyco 440 but it has braid on it. It runs in the mid to low .5s and can beat some inline cars with 3.5 arms in them. The fastest stock type inline without braid is a Tomy Super G + that has run .59s on Jeffs track and .55s here. It would not run in the pure stock class since it had a gear change. I have never entered my fastest Tyco car in any of the races even my own but it is king on its home track. A good set of slip ons like Super tires are usually worth a few hundredths, wheelie bars become a necessity when traction is very good. Gearing helps to but then it is not pure stock. In my upcoming race there will be classes for all inlines. Pure stock must use the provided 25/7 gearing they come with. After that a lot of patience and fooling around with the car to see what works best is the only answer. I have made many steps backwards when doing this.
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Post by yellerstang on Oct 12, 2017 11:09:11 GMT -7
In the quest to keep tire sizes stock, do you know where I might find a list of stock tire sizes per chassis? I will likely run silicones, but, I want to have them in the factory stock diameters to keep things straight.
I have a 1/8 mile track, last night I ran several cars, all using the exact same tire, moving them from car to car. They ran from a slower mid .700s to a quicker .500s and as high as 18mph. These are stock 440 chassis, the fast ones were tuned and lapped in years ago.
I am wondering if anyone here can relay some 1/8 mile et and mph from various classes of cars? That sure would be helpful to me in this effort. Thanks Jesse
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Post by dave632 on Oct 12, 2017 12:17:56 GMT -7
I will let you know. I will run some cars and check the 1/8th mile ETs. 18 MPH is a very good speed for a near stock car. Don't know of any size charts for HO car tires.
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Post by nosubfor3 on Oct 13, 2017 12:30:52 GMT -7
Box-Stock Wheel Hub & Tires Sizes The table below lists the standard factory dimensions for box-stock wheel hubs and rubber tires. Due to rubber molding variations tire diameter tolerances may vary by ą 0.0025 inches.
Manufacturer/Chassis Model Hub Size Tire Diameter* Aurora A/FX 0.275 0.455 Aurora A/FX Magna-Traction 0.275 0.455 Aurora G+Plus 0.275 0.465 Tyco / Mattel Magnum 440/440x2 0.255 0.466 Tyco / Mattel HP-7 0.280 0.470 Life-Like / Rokar "M" Car 0.285 0.468 Tomy Mega-G & Mega-G+Plus 0.265 0.450 Tomy Turbo & SRT 0.275 0.450 Tomy Super G+Plus N/A 0.455 BSRT G3 with 5-Spoke Molded Wheels 0.285 0.448 * ± 0.0025 inch tolerances
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Post by dave632 on Oct 13, 2017 18:43:33 GMT -7
Here are some times for basically stock HO cars, they had braid on the pickups except for 2. Tomy Turbo with braid, 5 different cars - .5225 .5031 .5069 .5036 .4554 deduct a few of hundredths for the braid. All stock, no braid, Super magnatraction AFX - .5231 Super G+ stock except for braid - .4676 .4665. Here is a car I built for a no braid race, it is quick thru the 1/8th but runs out of steam after the 660 hitting only 20-21 mph - .4162. It will lose to the quickest Tyco at the 1000' mark. Life like .5683 Mega G .4681 Tyco .5002 .5122 .4521. Next is my quickest stock type Tyco with braid..4240, it runs 25-26 mph in the 1000'
Remember my track is faster than plastic track and I have lots of amp available which helps ET a lot. I would add .05 to all these times for regular track and power supplies + another .03 for braid.
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Post by nosubfor3 on Oct 14, 2017 12:47:15 GMT -7
The many different manufactures use as many different set ups. All 6 ohm arms are not equal. Some are faster than others.As with real drag racing you have to get the power to the ground. Stock Tyco traction magnets are like poles. Why? Change them to opposite and you open a new can of worms.The magnet strength varies drastically affecting the same motor in different ways. One rule of thumb is the stronger the magnetic down force the taller,some times harder tire is needed.As dave said a TON of patience and parts swapping is required.Try a LL "M" arm in a TYCO and vise verse. They will work but I can almost guarantee the results will be different than the stock numbers.
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Post by yellerstang on Oct 17, 2017 9:48:16 GMT -7
Great info. Thanks so much.
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