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Sept 25, 2019 7:50:56 GMT -7
Post by ecbill on Sept 25, 2019 7:50:56 GMT -7
Any suggestions on techniques to make decals on clear backing that won't wash out or discolor when used over paint colors other than white?
Thought about using white decal paper but you would have to trim decals really close to prevent White from showing.
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Post by mazda on Sept 25, 2019 11:24:54 GMT -7
I make some of my own decals on clear paper by double printing the same image. This usually works but only on lighter colour paint. The top cat name on my Jaguar were done this way.
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Post by nosubfor3 on Sept 25, 2019 15:45:50 GMT -7
Remember this. Ink jet printers do not print white. They just leave the white area blank. Decals need a color back ground to be used on any color surface. You could try double printing the decals. For the back ground(white) use an off white color such as cream or silver for the first print. For the second print add your colors. Keep in mind the darker the first color is the darker the color print will be. So you may need to play with the hue and tone of the second color.If you paint a car yellow for instance the first print could be yellow the apply colors to the second print.Again the darker the first color the darker your final print will be.
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Sept 26, 2019 5:25:26 GMT -7
Post by ecbill on Sept 26, 2019 5:25:26 GMT -7
Clarification: By double printing do you mean running it through the printer twice or printing two decals then stacking them on the body?
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Post by GTS on Sept 26, 2019 7:25:01 GMT -7
Bill, depending on your graphics program that you set stuff up in to print, I've had limited success printing a block of the car color around the actual decal on the white decal paper. You don't have to be too fussy trimming it that way. I have usually printed 3 to 4 sets of the same decal using different hues of the car color and then pick the closest one, car color wise. And, yes, it's a PITA but it's an option.
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Sept 26, 2019 15:33:19 GMT -7
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Post by nosubfor3 on Sept 26, 2019 15:33:19 GMT -7
Clarification: By double printing do you mean running it through the printer twice or printing two decals then stacking them on the body? Yep. Run the first pass with the base color then run the second pass with your final colors. This is just an idea I have not had the opportunity to try. Also as GTS said you can try to color match a block to the color of your cars. That takes a lot of trial and error.I did do that a while back. Wasted a lot of ink but it did work.
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Post by mazda on Sept 28, 2019 4:44:27 GMT -7
Clarification: By double printing do you mean running it through the printer twice or printing two decals then stacking them on the body? I run them through the printer twice allowing a few minutes in between for the ink to dry. The paper must be aligned correctly for the second print.
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Sept 28, 2019 16:09:09 GMT -7
Post by ecbill on Sept 28, 2019 16:09:09 GMT -7
Clarification: By double printing do you mean running it through the printer twice or printing two decals then stacking them on the body? I run them through the printer twice allowing a few minutes in between for the ink to dry. The paper must be aligned correctly for the second print. I'll bet that can be tricky, to get the alignment perfect!
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Apr 9, 2020 18:28:20 GMT -7
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 18:28:20 GMT -7
good info here guys. still interested in printer preferences.
ink jet? laser?
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Apr 9, 2020 21:20:07 GMT -7
Post by ecbill on Apr 9, 2020 21:20:07 GMT -7
good info here guys. still interested in printer preferences. ink jet? laser? No ace here but I have done decals with an ink let using Testors paper. It comes in clear or white. Inkjet wont print white, so you have to use the white paper. Some of the lighter colors wash out when applied on a dark car. Applying them on white paper helps. Certain laser printers can use white toner but from what I've seen they are pricey as is the toner.
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Post by hairycanary on Apr 9, 2020 22:43:36 GMT -7
Al I’ve had a little experience with a few different printers over the years. I started with a cheap inkjet that worked good, then I got a couple of Alps but wore those out. I have a third one that’s hanging in there and I use it sparingly to print white and metallics. Last year I got a laser HP pro mfp m180nw and the little that I’ve used it so far it works great. The print quality is far superior than my Alps. The thing I like about the laser is that the decal is ready to use after printed. They don’t need anything applied over them before use. They now make a white toner for a lot of HP printers and I lucked out and can get one for mine. It’s called ghost white toner and they are pricy $214 but it would last a long time. The other 4 toner cartridges are about $125 for the set. The hot decal printer is the HP M254DW it takes the ghost white cartridge and is easier to get because of the popularity. It didn’t come out until after I got mine or that would have been the one I would’ve got. Micro Mark has the complete printer, ghost white and 4 color toner cartridges and paper for $690. You can get a new printer on eBay for around $200 and pick up the other stuff fairly cheap. As far as scanners go I’ve been using a cheap Cannon for years and the quality is good. The art program I use is Corel Draw 8 that can be picked up on eBay. When your ready for decal paper I can give you some advice on that if interested ? Hope all that helps ? Making decals can be very addictive.
Rick
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Post by Eagle Racing on Apr 10, 2020 4:44:53 GMT -7
My experience with decals is very similar to what Rick said. I used the Alps, until it quit working. I have been using the ghost printer setup for a year. I use the HP M452dw. The ghost printer setup is awesome! I bought mine before Micro Mark started selling it. I also have a Epson WF-2650 that has a scanner, works great. The ink in that printer is water proof I use it for hydro dipping, another ball game. The software I use is Paint.net it is a free download and updated all the time. I also used Corel Draw excellent program. The decal film IMHO needs to be thin, because you are laying a white base first and then the color over it after it dries. As Rick said if you get one and are interested PM me. Rick is right making decals can be very addictive.
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Apr 10, 2020 6:26:19 GMT -7
Post by AJR on Apr 10, 2020 6:26:19 GMT -7
I've used several ink jets over the years. I don't have the money for the Alps printers and parts are hard to get. Low budget decal maker that's me. Sometimes you have to get creative with the decals to get what you want. I am currently using a Canon MX922. It is a multi cartridge ink jet. It really does a good job. Very pleased with it. As with most name brand cartridges, they are expensive. But I have been using another brand ink that is very reasonable. I've had some good tips from our premier customizers here that have helped me tremendously with my decals. Sealing the decals is an important aspect of inkjet decal making as well. I was having trouble with my decals looking too thick under the clear. Thought it was the paper. Turned out I was using too much sealer. I now seal my decals with one thin coat of clear lacquer. Works great.
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Apr 10, 2020 6:53:43 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 6:53:43 GMT -7
thanks guys. exactly the opinion/advice I am looking for. I have made decals before, but no in years. if I am going to invest, I want to do it wisely.
my geek friend warned that scanning at 2400 X 2400 will make big files that eat up a lot of storage space. I will be prepared for that also.
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Apr 15, 2020 6:31:27 GMT -7
Post by ecbill on Apr 15, 2020 6:31:27 GMT -7
Glad to see this tread active again. Bet Alpink has a treasure trove of vintage 1/24 decals.
Rookies can learn a lot from you guys.
Didn’t know of any good sources for paper.
Learned that laser printed decals don’t need to be clear coated.
Didn’t know that some of you had the ability to print metallics and white.
Keep it coming!
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