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Post by pete on Apr 25, 2021 16:36:42 GMT -7
Thanks Sam, Im always looking on how you do it. The 2.5 will get my next attempt .
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Post by GTS on Apr 25, 2021 16:49:03 GMT -7
Something that makes it easier for me is roughing up (1000 grit) the shoe area and pre-tinning with solder. YMMV
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Post by AJR on Apr 25, 2021 17:49:24 GMT -7
Like I said still a month to go and there seems to be a lot of tuning action going on. I have been working on some pancake unlimiteds for myself and others with decent results. Tried a couple of my own hot winds which did better than expected. Will be running the first HO slot car body I ever got, (a gray 60 Vette), at this race in the Pancake class. That's awesome. A few of the bodies that I run I have had since I was a kid. I like the nostalgia and look forward to seeing that body. Dave what kind of times should I be looking for with a 3g Unlimited? Just looking for an idea. Made my first real passes today. Best was a mid .4 to start out and it fell off from there. That was my initial blind setup. I think I cooked the brush springs and lost tension. Not sure how I'm going to get around that yet??
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Post by ecbill on Apr 26, 2021 7:06:30 GMT -7
There was some mention earlier or pure stock legal cars that came stock with braids. If that is the case, Micro Scalextrics should be eligible to participate. Is that correct?
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Post by dave632 on Apr 26, 2021 7:34:12 GMT -7
I use a dual alligator clamp stand to hold both shoes at the same time. I tin the roughed up tip of the shoe, first I use soldering paste then tin. Like you say I clamp the braid close to the work, dress the braid to fit the curve of the shoe, then heat before finally applying solder. For the pure stocks I would be sure the drive wheels are nice and true, your rear tires are nice new ones, pay close attention to your brush springs and your pickup springs. Too much tension or to little will kill performance. Make sure the pickups are hitting flat on the rails. I use a black marker pen to mark the pickup area then run the cars to see where the pickup is hitting, see photo. The second photo is 2 dead stock Tyco's, a narrow and a wide. Both have new rear Super tires, trued rims and flat riding pickups. Both were just pulled out of the box spun a little and run. Note both are well into the .7s. I must also say the Tyco wide picked up about .03 from sitting in the box and the narrow lost the same amount, that I cannot explain!!! Looking forward to seeing what all you guys come up with for this class. Tyco 440 bottom view
Tyco 440 times
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Post by dave632 on Apr 26, 2021 7:41:52 GMT -7
There was some mention earlier or pure stock legal cars that came stock with braids. If that is the case, Micro Scalextrics should be eligible to participate. Is that correct? Yes Bill, they come with braids stock so that would be OK. As long as they have the 6 ohm arm, (6 ohm is mentioned in the rules). I think some of them had a 3.5 ohms which was for battery sets but I am not sure of that.
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Post by dave632 on Apr 26, 2021 7:55:13 GMT -7
Like I said still a month to go and there seems to be a lot of tuning action going on. I have been working on some pancake unlimiteds for myself and others with decent results. Tried a couple of my own hot winds which did better than expected. Will be running the first HO slot car body I ever got, (a gray 60 Vette), at this race in the Pancake class. That's awesome. A few of the bodies that I run I have had since I was a kid. I like the nostalgia and look forward to seeing that body. Dave what kind of times should I be looking for with a 3g Unlimited? Just looking for an idea. Made my first real passes today. Best was a mid .4 to start out and it fell off from there. That was my initial blind setup. I think I cooked the brush springs and lost tension. Not sure how I'm going to get around that yet?? Cars are running mid to low 4s but not consistently. Don't know what to do about that. Hit 46 MPH on one pass but that same car is running 37 MPH now. Just ran it again and it ran 40 MPH. ETs are all over the place. Just cleaning tires on these cars can be worth .03. Have not had any trouble with brush springs but I am using the T jet chassis. Use a squished down AFX pickup spring to help with frying the small spring in the later AFX chassis if you are having trouble with that. They are a larger spring, .007-.008 I think, and can hold the current better.
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Post by AJR on Apr 26, 2021 11:32:47 GMT -7
That's awesome. A few of the bodies that I run I have had since I was a kid. I like the nostalgia and look forward to seeing that body. Dave what kind of times should I be looking for with a 3g Unlimited? Just looking for an idea. Made my first real passes today. Best was a mid .4 to start out and it fell off from there. That was my initial blind setup. I think I cooked the brush springs and lost tension. Not sure how I'm going to get around that yet?? Cars are running mid to low 4s but not consistently. Don't know what to do about that. Hit 46 MPH on one pass but that same car is running 37 MPH now. Just ran it again and it ran 40 MPH. ETs are all over the place. Just cleaning tires on these cars can be worth .03. Have not had any trouble with brush springs but I am using the T jet chassis. Use a squished down AFX pickup spring to help with frying the small spring in the later AFX chassis if you are having trouble with that. They are a larger spring, .007-.008 I think, and can hold the current better. Oh wow.....I thought I was still way off but it sounds like I'm closer than I thought. That is promising. I am actually using Dash pick up springs for brush springs for the same reason. They are a little bigger than the weak stock springs. I have a couple of ideas. If they work I will pass them on. The brush spring is the weak link in the electrical path on these builds. Thanks for the info Dave.
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Post by dave632 on Apr 26, 2021 15:39:23 GMT -7
Yes I would always fry the brush spring in those chassis if I put a hot arm in them. The old T Jet style are more durable but they can fry to. One of the cars just went off kilter and is down to 32 MPH in the low 5s, they are hard to figure.
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Post by AJR on Apr 26, 2021 16:29:36 GMT -7
Yes I would always fry the brush spring in those chassis if I put a hot arm in them. The old T Jet style are more durable but they can fry to. One of the cars just went off kilter and is down to 32 MPH in the low 5s, they are hard to figure. That's what happened on my car. The brush springs are completely compressed and lost their tension. Too much amperage and they got hot. Hmmmm....always something with these builds. Not sure what I'm going to do in the tuning time I have left. I need to start working on other cars. A shunted brush might solve the problem. I will post if I find something that works.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 17:48:40 GMT -7
shunted brush is the answer. drill a hole in the brush to insert tiny shunt wire in ..... or design a piece to fit between the spring and the brush that the shunt wire attaches to. Wizzard body pins for lexan bodies come to mind. there are probably other solutions. in my experience, running high AMPs through spring material is not sufficient and causes a lot of heat. in addition, when possible, insulating springs from the electrical path is a good idea.
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Post by dave632 on Apr 27, 2021 14:33:03 GMT -7
Good tip Al.
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Post by hairycanary on Apr 27, 2021 19:00:28 GMT -7
Yes Al great tip !!! Gave me some ideas ? I need to get started on building. I took my 4G unlimited apart that only made it to half track with sparks at Jeff’s last race and put it back together with all the same parts and tested it. It ran a .527 @ 28 mph at 26V it make 5 consistent runs, only thing I can think happened at Jeff’s race is maybe his rails are a little higher than mine and it bogged down and got hot ? It sat pretty low with .510 silly foams on it. I was having the same issues with the springs collapsing with to much heat and wound up with putting a 4.5 arm in it. It seemed anything hotter than a 3.5 had the heat issues. 1st run would be good then after about 4 runs it was gone. Going to experiment on the 4G since that’s the one I was collapsing the springs on, then go from there ? If it works then I can apply it to the 3 Gear I haven’t started yet.
Rick
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Post by ecbill on Apr 27, 2021 19:12:41 GMT -7
Yes Al great tip !!! Gave me some ideas ? I need to get started on building. I took my 4G unlimited apart that only made it to half track with sparks at Jeff’s last race and put it back together with all the same parts and tested it. It ran a .527 @ 28 mph at 26V it make 5 consistent runs, only thing I can think happened at Jeff’s race is maybe his rails are a little higher than mine and it bogged down and got hot ? It sat pretty low with .510 silly foams on it. I was having the same issues with the springs collapsing with to much heat and wound up with putting a 4.5 arm in it. It seemed anything hotter than a 3.5 had the heat issues. 1st run would be good then after about 4 runs it was gone. Going to experiment on the 4G since that’s the one I was collapsing the springs on, then go from there ? If it works then I can apply it to the 3 Gear I haven’t started yet. Rick Rick, Looks like the procrastination race is on. I haven't started mine yet either. Experience has taught me that I can't out procrastinate you, but I can at least try to make a race out of it. Bill
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Post by ecbill on Apr 27, 2021 19:16:28 GMT -7
shunted brush is the answer. drill a hole in the brush to insert tiny shunt wire in ..... or design a piece to fit between the spring and the brush that the shunt wire attaches to. Wizzard body pins for lexan bodies come to mind. there are probably other solutions. in my experience, running high AMPs through spring material is not sufficient and causes a lot of heat. in addition, when possible, insulating springs from the electrical path is a good idea. Often thought about trying something like that but figured it would be illegal. Guess anything goes in unlimited. How about an Estes rocket engine with the igniter wired to the pickup shoes? It could even deploy a chute at the end of the run.
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