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Post by SKR on Oct 8, 2008 15:46:37 GMT -7
I think the stronger motor magnets would be a bad thing for this class. Like you said you'd have to turn up the volts. This will cause other problems such as cars hopping out of the slot. I think if we went this way then we'd end up having to add traction magnets which would probably cause the cars to run slow so then we'd need to add braided pick up shoes. We'd basically end up with a Rat Rod if we went this route.
I like the motor/chassis rules the way they are.
I'm on the fence about the tires but am leaning towards opening it up.
Hogging the body in this class will give you no advantage. They are way too light as they sit now. I have quite a bit of lead in the front of my cars.
Let's line em up fellas!
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Post by Demon340 on Oct 8, 2008 16:13:34 GMT -7
Ok I would give you my two cents but I lost it in the stock market. As far as SUPER STOCK leave the chassis and motor the way they our. Let us have big rear tires so they look more like SUPER STOCKERS then a STOCKER and help performance. My SUPER BEE dont look good with skinny rear tires. Iam ok with hogged out bodies it helps get the tires under the car and helps the looks of the car. This SS are fun and low cost and the MEAD BOYS have alot of cool body kits for them so lets not SS get out of control.
DEMON 340
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 8, 2008 16:13:56 GMT -7
If you want to open up the rear wheels but you don't want the tires to be too big, make the legal width something like .200 wide. The width of the wide rrr tires is .180 +/- a little. This would keep the tire size more to scale.
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Post by Demon340 on Oct 8, 2008 16:32:11 GMT -7
.200 wide sounds good to me that would look good on the SS cars.
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Post by kdog on Oct 8, 2008 16:34:54 GMT -7
I think the the other RRR wheelsets would look cool on the SS class, but would try to stay around Tuffones width max. Here is a Dash Camoro with a set of aluminum wheels, This look looks good to me. Slot cars have always had a slightly out of scale tire size, as long as it dosen't get to crazy I'm all for it. As far as the rest I would leave it alone. An entry level class, Braids will alyays help proformance but the only problems we had with pickups were the extra long BSRT ones, the stock were the best in most cases.
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Post by johnbalich on Oct 8, 2008 17:46:23 GMT -7
I like the tire discussion.........if tuff ones max is the limit..............would actual tuff ones/jl wheels with slip- on silicone be legal??? That would be a plus I think.......more options for the racer and cheap options at that!
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Oct 8, 2008 17:56:09 GMT -7
for my ratt ford I put on a rear set of Auto World Excellerator wheels from a PIT KIT,defentally bigger than the RRR wheels on the SS Goat but i think they would look good on the SS class car.but unless i radiused the wheel wells or raised the rear end up about a scale foot(actually my real Goat back when was raised to get more meat under there) so I think say Tuff One size would be good along with body work if fenders arenot cut to the top,just rounde for clearnce.
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 8, 2008 19:44:18 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure that silicone tuff-ones tires on stock rims will measure .200 or a little less.
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Post by johnbalich on Oct 8, 2008 21:17:31 GMT -7
Allowing a tire change is little enough alteration of rules that no disruption would be caused........UNLESSSSSSSSSSSSSS such tires make wheelie bars necessary..........see how these things mushroom???
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 8, 2008 23:14:37 GMT -7
I don't agree about needing wheelie bars because we go to wider tires. I had the whole front end of the chassis filled with lead with the narrow tires. I took wide tires off of my cars to send to the SS nats. They didn't slow down on skinny slicks. The only reasons that I wanted to go with wider rear tires is for looks and cost. Now if I remember right, didn't I read that for 2009, SS was going to go with braids on their shoes? That could change the whole ballgame. I don't know if the narrow tires can hold with the braids on the shoes. Myself, I would rather not have braids on the SS'ers.
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Oct 9, 2008 1:50:00 GMT -7
stock, every thing T-Jet copper except after-market motor brushes, can't touch nothing.. super stock.. motor ruels the same,braids allowed as now except any tire pure silicone black slip-on tire allowed,no wheelie bars,rear wheel well radiused for clearnce allowed to within 1/8th inch from top of fender.
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Post by bondoman2k on Oct 9, 2008 3:46:02 GMT -7
OK, here's my thoughts on this..for what it's worth..lol. I agree with pretty much the same changes. Slightly larger rears, allow SOME cutting/ radiusing of rear wheelwells (tire clearance only), hogging out the bodies for 'additional' clearance, as long as you don't end up with 'paper thin' bodies (ya know...like 'Acid Dipping'? ) I do agree that braids are a good idea. These older cars are VERY hard for a rookie/ newbie to tune (unlike the newer Auto World stuff) and any extra help to get these cars running better would actually make it more 'fun' for a new guy. This is sposed to be an entry level class, but ya wanna know something? The mods I did to my Rat Rods were actually easier and yielded a WAYYYY faster car than ANYTHING I did to the SS cars. To me, The Rats are closer to 'entry level' than the SS cars! Ron
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Post by SKR on Oct 9, 2008 6:59:52 GMT -7
Count me in. I'll go with the larger tires.
Braids are going to cause the front end to jump out of the slot. We could add wheelie bars but they're still going to be hopping around. They really need at least one traction magnet to get them down the track if we add braid.
How about calling our current S/S rules stock? Leave the current S/S rules as they are but call it stock with the exception of adding a slightly bigger tire.
.200" wide sounds good to me also.
S/S could be the same rules but allow braids, one or two traction magnets?, wheelie bars and bigger tires. Allow some hogging on the underside of the body. Not paper thin but allow some of the excess to be trimmed out.
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Post by iowajeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:02:03 GMT -7
The only thing I don't like about the SS class is the 16 ohms, To me there hard to find. Maybe JL arms? And little cutting for tires and to lower body's would be cool. Keep the 9 gears.
Iowajeff
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Post by SKR on Oct 9, 2008 7:04:12 GMT -7
Maybe if we go with the two classes we can up the ohm limit in stock to 16.5 or 17.0 and keep it at 16.0 for S/S?
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