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Post by da big ragu on Oct 9, 2008 7:14:17 GMT -7
ok guys i think the question is do we really need two classes s/s and stock just maybe s/s should just be with the addition of say tire size change and going with a different ohm for the arm things seemed good so if it ant broke don't fix it but still i am open to all just my two cent's
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Oct 9, 2008 13:52:43 GMT -7
IF you add braids, traction mags. wheellie bars its a ratt , SS with the tire change and braids will probably need the traction magnets to help keep it in the slot, maybe leave the classes alone for a few more events and see how times and turn outs add up?
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Post by kdog on Oct 9, 2008 18:31:55 GMT -7
The T Jet arm has a wide range of ohm readings. I think we orignaly decided on 16 ohms as the low end so most arms would be legal. The truth be known most of my best stock arms are closer to 17 ohm's. So the lowest ohm reading isn't always the best way to go. I have bought finished chassis, as well as trued and balanced arm's from some of the best builders around. One of the best chassis I ever raced was out of a junk box at the St Louis Slot Car Show. It was well oiled and had plenty of hair bearings, the sign of a true runner! I have never figured out the best stock runner chassis yet, but i'm trying.
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Post by iowajeff on Oct 9, 2008 22:06:00 GMT -7
I got a new SS chases today I have not ohmed it. But if it is low 17 Ill try it. If not I have some. If it runs good I say don't change anything. But the cutting for tires thing. We got two dogs so I have some cars with hair bushings too lol.
Iowajeff
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Post by SKR on Oct 10, 2008 20:18:19 GMT -7
I don't think the ohm reading is as big a deal with the factory arms as long as the com plate is straight. I have 17 ohm arms that run good.
Great discussion on rules guys. Lets keep them going. I'm just throwing things out there so please don't take it that we're going to two different classes. It's what you guys want. It looks like so far everybody is pretty much in agreement with bigger tires. Sounds good to me.
Braids, can be good and bad. Yes this would end up like a nostalgic Rat Rod chassis but I can see where the proper shoe adjustment can play a big factor in who is going to run the best. Braids would eliminate a lot of that guessing. I thought the St. Louis guys did a great job adjusting shoes. If we have a tuner at each track just for shoes. Would everybody go along with that and leave braids out of this class?
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 10, 2008 23:09:10 GMT -7
SKR when you wrote,
"Braids are going to cause the front end to jump out of the slot. We could add wheelie bars but they're still going to be hopping around. They really need at least one traction magnet to get them down the track if we add braid."
You almost hit the nail right on the head. I did some testing tonight and this is what I found.
I ran a current legal SS with slot tech shoes and .112 wide tires. The average time over 5 passes was 1.414 (14.5 feet on 13.8 volts). I then put a set of braided pickups on it and the 5 pass average went down to 1.388. I changed back to the slot tech shoes and put a wide set of wheels and tires on it and averaged 1.403. Once again I put the braids back on the car. This time the car slowed down to an average of 1.517. The car hopped, skipped and jumped all the way down the track.
If we go with braids and wide tires we will at least need a magnet under the car. A magnet under the car might calm it down enough that wheelie bars might not be necessary.
SO, I think we should leave the shoes the way they are (no braids). Adjusting the shoes is really no big deal. I had never done it until the SS nats. and from what I have found, the slottech shoes need little to no adjustment at all. Jet posted a great tutorial on pickup adjustment in his SS tuning guide. I actually made a tool just like he shows and it works great.
If someone wants to run a class with a t-jet arm, 9 tooth pinion, braids, magnets and wheelie bars why not create a new class and leave the SS just like they are.
440
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Oct 11, 2008 7:38:45 GMT -7
shoes for ss, braids for RATT and above,I'm with 440 leave ss alone for now,tires included, and leave braids, larger tires and shunts to Gassers and RATT, and let the driver at hosting track tune as needed.
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Post by SKR on Oct 12, 2008 20:32:04 GMT -7
440, Good to see you did some testing. Thanks for the results. I did try braids awhile back before the S/S Nats. It did have more power but it was trying to hop out of the slot and I ended up with a slower E/T. Since we're just kicking around thoughts and ideas. What new classes would you guys like to see be developed? or is there already enough with S/S, Rat, Gasser, F/C & P/M? The main reason the NTRA came about was to promote HO Drag Racing and to get guys building drag cars in hopes that they will find a Drag track near them or build a track for themselves. Since Slot Cars Inc. came out with their drag tracks ( www.slotcarsinc.com ) There has been 5 psycho members that have purchased them with two more that I know of ordering one in the new year. That's seven HO Drag tracks going up in a few months! not including Demon's & Richard's new track that is going up in Florida and talks of another Drag track being built in Nebraska. Way cool! HO Drag Racing is getting bigger and better everyday!
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Post by Demon340 on Oct 13, 2008 19:57:14 GMT -7
How about FUEL ALTERED class keep the chassis some what like gasser funny car but lets put in a custom arm like GALINKO OUTLAW 5.0 thats ohms out 4.0 to5.0.
DEMON 340
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Post by 440gtx on Oct 13, 2008 20:19:09 GMT -7
I like the fuel altered idea. Everything the same as gasser except for a "spec" custom arm and an altered body. I'd run that class.
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Post by kdog on Oct 14, 2008 16:39:10 GMT -7
I have been stocking up on Altered bodies myself, this would be a fun addition. The spec 5 ohm arm sounds good as well. Dog
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Post by Demon340 on Oct 14, 2008 17:14:46 GMT -7
Hey SAM Looks like its not just me that wants FUEL ALTERED class. I been working on a dash super modified body thats going to be wild looking ALTERED. Oh I know PHILS got some ALTERED bodies too. So what do you think ?
FUEL ALTEREDS THE BAD BOYS OF DRAG RACINGS
DEMON 340
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Post by da big ragu on Oct 14, 2008 17:30:24 GMT -7
yeah sounds good but i think we need not rush as i would like to race fuel altereds but i am not ready and don't like to rush i also know i don't have to enter every race but also think the hosting tracks need to regroup as well . but does sound good
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Post by SKR on Oct 15, 2008 8:02:53 GMT -7
Altered sounds really good to me. I know you guys will come up with some wild rides.
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Post by johnbalich on Oct 15, 2008 13:53:36 GMT -7
Altereeds have always more or less been on radar as a future class.
We have had the noption that we would 'bring along' some of the new guys and guys who have been away a long time, by more or less offering 'graduated' classes.
Gasser was offered first by happenstance. We 'reverted' to Superstock and were pleasantly overwhelmed with interest. Rat rodds are an easy access class, emphasizing the JL chassis as will Nostalgic type pro stock. The inline MMPS is for modern Pro Stocks. It is originally an ISRA class that will be surely adopted verbatim by NTRA.
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