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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Mar 24, 2010 18:34:01 GMT -7
Same cars this year as past but due to a little more learning curve I didn't win but I MOVED BOTH CARS INTO THE A CLASS ,they might have been the slowest but I,ve been trying for 3 seasons to get there!! Had a lot of help an suggestions. I know might have made it sooner with other than stock parts or better tires ,but where is the challange and the satisfaction.
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Post by allstarhr on Mar 24, 2010 20:31:28 GMT -7
Kdog, when we were just putting WDWAHO together I found the St. Louis group's website and read your rules where you were racing heads up. You were using a razor blade or piece of metal with plastic strips on it to check magnet strength without having to disassemble cars at the races. If I remember correctly, you put the metal with plastic on top under the car and if it picked the metal up when you picked the car up, the magnets were illegal and too strong. Did that work? To me it might be an easy way for all of us to be able to check our magnet strength before we send cars since we could make the same checker cheaply. Just another thought for the discussion.
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Post by Demon340 on Mar 24, 2010 21:00:23 GMT -7
Since there is talk about a stock class I think we should take our SS cars and put a .440X.120 tire with plastic wheels and that would make a good stocker. For SS cars same chassis but add traction magnets and wheelie bars get the lead out off the front end as for tires .460X.180 and plastic wheels. I think we should not have any metal wheels in any of our class's. As for motor magnets Its up to you all. I'm just going to run what I got. DEMON  |
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Post by kdog on Mar 25, 2010 2:23:48 GMT -7
We still use that for road racing tech. Any strengh stock T Jet magnets won't pick up the tester, but any Tuffones, AFX, JL or Dash will. We just use it to keep the guys honest with minium tech time, but it only how weak the magnets are not how strong.
I have a magnet matcher from BRP or Bowman Racing Products, that for around $50 does a decient job in matching magnets and give you a compairison to judge strength. I have since gotten a GRD Magnet matcher witch does a better job, but costs more to buy.
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Post by SKR on Mar 25, 2010 4:50:37 GMT -7
Starting to wonder off original topic. We will get to other concerns later. Hey guys, Here is something I would like you all to think about and would like to hear your thoughts on. Super Stock is probably the NTRA’s most popular class. We usually have a fair turn out and and it brings out some that normally don't run the other classes. My question to you guys is.. What would make this class more competitive for everyone to run in? What I would like to see is the field tighten up from TQ to last place Qualifier. Here is the biggest problem I see with this class as far as inconsistencies. We are using Motor Magnets that are 40 years old. Who honestly can buy one rolling chassis and be competitive with the magnets that come with? Yeah you might get lucky but from what I’ve seen from the NOS chassis that I have…. It’s not that often. I’m guilty of spending some money on trying to obtain better magnets by purchasing 10 sets of NOS Aurora magnets at a time. I did get one decent set after matching them but also wasted time and money in doing so. This is what I’d like to propose to you, the racers. Why not make a rule change and allow the new Dash Motor Magnets? At around $3 a set it makes more sense to me. Yeah there will be stronger Dash magnets than others but I’d bet if you bought 10 sets of Dash’s and 10 sets of NOS Aurora magnets that you are going to have 10 sets of competitive magnets from Dash . Who knows what you will get with Auroras 40 year old magnets.
I’m not looking at starting a new class for Dash magnets. I am looking for ideas in making S/S a better class. This might not be the way to do it but would like to hear your guys thoughts. I do like the thought of everyone being able to obtain competitive racing parts for their cars without wasting money and time. Let’s stay on the topic of Magnets for now. We probably will not race S/S cars for another year so there is no need to panic, rules might not change at all. Maybe the Dash magnets are not the way to go. I just feel that they would be a cheap alternative and better choice magnet than Auroras. If it was decided that we do change and we find out that we need to use atleast one traction magnet then would that be such a bad thing? My goal is to attract newbies that can build a decent S/S. I'm talking about the total beginner, the guys that don't buy bulk magnets or cases of Tjet rolling chassis. Eveybody has AW or J/L cars, so I wouldn't be opposed to allowing those motor magnets as well if we changed. |
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Post by Dusted on Mar 25, 2010 5:02:59 GMT -7
Looking at the posts tonight forget Bracket racing. Than the option is what we are doing now Heads up racing for those who have the heart to do it. I started racing again after a 30 year Break, I realized there was a learning curve to get back in. I race every week just for the fun of it. sometimes you have a good resualt sometimes not. The fact that in this group we have exciptional Builders / Racers that can dominate a field of racers, I think is a heathly thing. It gives everyone something to shoot for, I love the Heads up format we use, I havn't won a race yet, but will continue to send cars. Why because I want to race! I personally enjoy tying to build these cars fast enought to compete, and no bad feelings if I don't win, but I won't stop trying to build a winning car There is no way that I can think of in this format to make everyone fast.... just be happy with a "B" class win, and use it as a learning experiance to move up. I agree with K-Dog we build them the best we can and learn as we go what works to make them faster. I dont have any real track experience but on the street, way back when, if you wanted to win against the fastest car in town you went to the store bought what you thought your car needed set it up the best you could and went for a race. |
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Post by SKR on Mar 27, 2010 3:19:19 GMT -7
 I agree that is the fun by making what you have go as fast/quick as possible. I'm just looking at ways for us all to start off with parts that are of more equal without breaking the bank to find them. I'd like to open this thread up to other suggestions. I've had three PM's about wheels and tire changes that they would like to see in future S/S racing this last week that all went along the same lines. Feel free to post your suggestions..
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Mar 27, 2010 4:58:40 GMT -7
what if we run copper clad chassis no modifications except slip on silicones that fit the stock hub and front end weight as stock .Super Stock rules the same as they are but use of AW and JL 500 chassis,Dash Magnets,a larger hub , slip on silicone as long as they don't stick out more than 1/8 inch beond the fenders. Used to jack the rear ends up with air shocks and stick some pretty wide tires back on the street in the late 60's till got tired of paying tickets for tires uncovered being a hazzard for throwing stones an things  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2010 5:32:11 GMT -7
Hi guys . First i want to say sorry for my absence , but it looks like I wont be able to do any raceing this year . Now as far as the topic at hand . Back in the day when I road raced inline cars , I raced 3 full years in a club . The first year I finished like 13th out of 15 regular guys ( got rookie of the year ) , the second year I finished 6th and set a new track record in qualifing . The 3rd year I was 3rd and another track record . The 4th year I was in the hunt for the championship when the politics got to much and I left . I thought I was doing really good for a guy that never raced before . What got me moveing up through the ranks so fast was a lot of help from a few of the guys I raced with , but the most improtant thing was the prizes . back then the prizes wre new tires ( wizard , BSRT ) . motor . silver shoes , lexan bodies , ect. but the big thing was most of the performance prizes were given to the guys that finished at the bottom . which in turn helped make the feild stronger . I think that something like this might help some of the guy in the lower class . Well getting long winded so I will stop now . Hope to race with ya"ll soon
shooter
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Post by 440gtx on Mar 27, 2010 11:50:30 GMT -7
not to get off topic but, I still think that the "stockers" should be run with stock rubber tires and no lead.
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Post by SKR on Mar 27, 2010 18:52:34 GMT -7
On the topic of Stockers, I like what you have lined out Dave. One thing about rubber tires is that we will see guys soaking them in god knows what for extra bite. How about, no weight and the host supplies the stock tires that thye will put on before qualifying? Maybe everybody can kick in a few extra bucks to cover the cost? Just a thought.
Hey Shooter, glad to see your still around. Sounds like you raced with a great bunch of guys.
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Post by 440gtx on Mar 27, 2010 19:17:38 GMT -7
On the topic of Stockers, I like what you have lined out Dave. One thing about rubber tires is that we will see guys soaking them in god knows what for extra bite. How about, no weight and the host supplies the stock tires that they will put on before qualifying? Maybe everybody can kick in a few extra bucks to cover the cost? Just a thought. I think everyone has been willing to follow the rules in the past. Just say no additives on the tires. If the host feels as though something has been added to a set, that car is out or he could just replace those tires. The reason for this is the fact that most stock aurora tires will need to be trued up. I have had pretty good luck with JL narrow fronts off their thunderjet 500's. Jag has them for $0.50 a pair. Just another option. 440 added later... extra bite with no weight in the front will more than likely slow you down because of front end hop. |
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Post by SKR on Mar 28, 2010 3:10:56 GMT -7
sounds reasonable to me.
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Post by nosubfor3 on Mar 28, 2010 6:30:02 GMT -7
I kinda favor the stock rubber tires here in stock class. After all I remember running a class at my local drag strip called pure stock. It was a class to get people interested in drag racing with out going into the black hole of debt. Basically you ran what ever the car came with from the factory. No modifications what so ever. So a stock copper bottom, rubber tired, 16 plus ohm stock motor spinning the wheels down the quarter mile will be just like running bias ply tires on your 454 Chevelle or 455 GTO or 440 GTX or 383 Charger or 428 429 F F F sorry tuff for me to say. OK here I go.. Fords. Ugh I have to brush my teeth now.
Sam using Dash magnets for S/S is a great idea. Every thing you said is true.
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Mar 28, 2010 7:01:52 GMT -7
Since Rick( take no prisoners) is hosting ,what rules do they run for stock class there? I like the ideal of T-jet rubber and the track being able to replace the tires if tricked additives are suspected ,Just what about those who glue there tires to the rim to true them up ,or will this not be allowed ,maybe a NO truing of rims or tire addition to the rules..I would be O.K. with it . for SS Demon has a point( AN not those two on his head) might be time to open up tire choice little as long as a decent scale like appearance can be maintained. traction magnets O.K. Lead O.K. leave the wheelie bars off! What am I doing almost agreeing with DEMON ,next thing you know I will be showing up with a MOPAR |
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I agree that is the fun by making what you have go as fast/quick as possible. I'm just looking at ways for us all to start off with parts that are of more equal without breaking the bank to find them.
