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Post by slotman55 on Mar 28, 2010 11:40:55 GMT -7
Dave I to found myself agreeing with Demon way to much after seeing my Analyst I think Iwill be OK.
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Post by kdog on Mar 28, 2010 13:32:02 GMT -7
The Dog's 2 cent's on SS changes. I just got 10 new sets of Dash Magnets, I checked them on my GRD Magnet tester, and found only 3 good matches, 1 strong, 2 weak, the rest are trash for me. if you need to buy 10 sets of Dash magnets to get a few good maches, than just buy T Jet magnets for less than 1/2 the price.
As far as Stock Class.....there is a huge diffrence between Orignal T Jet tires made in the 60s, and newer AW tires made last year.
The issue as I see it is confusion over what is legal.
This class is for new guys trying to break in to T Jet racing, they are going to buy a chassis, send it in with what ever tires come with it. That is a nightmere for the race host trying to get the cars down the track.
Proxy Racing is different from club racing in that, at club racing you can expermant, and pick a tire that works. In proxy Racing a bunch of the racers don't have a timed track to test cars so they will send in whatever for tires.
Personally I think we should just allow a skinny aftermarket silicone tire to be used. To me spinning the length of the track is funny in club racing, but a bad deal for a race host trying to run a clean event.
And I think we will have to allow some weight to keep the cars on the track.
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Post by 440gtx on Mar 28, 2010 15:29:31 GMT -7
I guess, my idea of stock means narrow, ribbed, rubber tires.
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Post by SKR on Mar 29, 2010 5:49:31 GMT -7
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Post by SKR on Mar 29, 2010 6:12:03 GMT -7
I kind of like the looks of the RRR Wheels and Tires. How about making those spec wheels and tires in S/S? Magnets, Magnets, Magnets!!! or is that Marsha? Whatever is decided the fast guys will still be fast. I just hope we can tighten the field up a bit for better racing action. Giving up a tenth or 2 tenths on the track enables the other driver to sleep on the tree. Heck when your giving up .1 to .4 in only 8-9'. That's huge! One tenth is even a big disdvantage in 1/1 racing going 1320' So what are other ways of helping this class along? Tires? Wheelie bars? Braids? Traction Magnets? and I still have to throw this out there. My $.50 (plus shipping) motor magnet claiming rule? Like I said, if magnets are not that big a deal then nobody should have a problem with this rule  |
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Post by johnbalich on Mar 29, 2010 9:22:34 GMT -7
Sometime this week I'll get an 'outline' of possible class rules that summarize our discussion here so we can look at them as one entity. The goal of course is to keep it simple, keep fun, keep it cost effective. Personally, I like the idea of skinny tires. There are slip on silicones that come in two widths for standar T Jet wheels. (Wide and skinny, of course) If we allow the skinnies, then specing tires is anon issue, and they provide REASONABLE traction while looking stock. (The use of skinny tires, whatever they may, be allows the use of "traditional-sized" T jet bodies and most of the MEV stock bodies which have the traditional T Jet apearance, which might be a cool requirement)
If we go with Truly stock hard rubber tires, I have no problem with tire treatments provided they leave no residue on the tires. (i.e. no sticky stuff)
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Post by Dusted on Mar 29, 2010 9:24:10 GMT -7
Honestly Sam I dont think any changes will achieve what your looking for because the faster cars are faster because the people know the right little tweaks to make and thats why they are faster. You can tell me the secret witches brew formula and your car will still be faster because there is that certain feel that you only learn over time. Now if it is made cheaper to race that's a good thing even if it doesnt bring the field closer. Some cars are slower maybe because they dont have as much time to dedicate to it as others do. Frankly I was leading the rear of the pack and I still had a blast isnt that what it's really about and in time my cars will go faster : ) no worries here what ever is decided!
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Post by SKR on Mar 29, 2010 11:43:46 GMT -7
I fully agree. Like I said in my post above, the fast guys will still be fast. I've raced for many year and have found that a good set of matched motor magnets is the most important component of building a competitive car. I'll take a decent set of magnets over a better armature anyday. I like the class the way it is but have to be realistic on how we all get decent parts for these cars. I've been through all my old tjets, ordered magnets and still can't come up with a decent set of magnets. Who has that kind of time? Kdogs review on Dash magnets is the first I've seen that said they were mostly junk or atleast the sets he tested. If we changed then I think AutoWorld/JL magnets would have to be legal along with Super 2 magnets. It's not hard to come across a decent set of AW magnets at least from what I have found. As I said I'll go with what the majority of what you all have to say. I like this class the way it is but also feel it's important to take a look at ways to possibly improve.
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Post by eddiebee on Mar 29, 2010 12:33:17 GMT -7
Guess I will throw in my 2 cents worth as well. As for me and my being able to participate it goes like this. I race on a shoestring budget. I can not afford to buy 10 sets or more magnets just in the hopes of getting 1 good pair. Nor do I have or can not afford a magnet tester. So far all my cars have been built to the class rules , but lately it seems to me that nobody is satisfied any more. All I see on this board is " how about this and how about that". Why cann't the word stock mean stock and just race it. When money starts being a factor then I am out !!! The track I race 1/24 drag cars at is having the same problem right now with the class that is supposed to be economical. I know there has got to be a way of making the older cars be competitive. Silicone tires work for me too. But like I said , I cann't be buying a bunch of magnets on a hope. Sorry for getting on my soap box but, I really enjoy this racing and hope I can continue to do so.
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Post by kdog on Mar 29, 2010 14:31:44 GMT -7
If there are guys out there with a handfull of T Jet magnets, I will match them for free, if we get 3 or 4 guys intrested so much the better the larger the pool of magnets the better matches we can hope for.
If you send 10 you will get 10 back, I'll divide the strong matches equally. I have a couple dozen new ones that arn't matched yet, from a new case of 1970 chassis should contain some good ones, that I'll throw in to get things started. If you only have 2 sets, send them and you will get 2 matched sets back.
You'll need to send shipping $2.50 will do. PM me if you are intrested
We race a Stock tire race once a year and the cars don't actually run bad. The host puts a preped set of tires on everyones car, to make sure no one slippes in a ringer. If we on the other hand let guys send in tires that have been out of the case for 40 years, it's not going to be a good resualt. The arguement for Wizzard or Heister silicones is a level playing field as far as tires go, and at .50 a pair won't break the bank.
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Post by SKR on Mar 29, 2010 14:57:27 GMT -7
Great idea Kevin and your right...... the more magnets sent the better chance everyone has at getting more matched sets back.
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Hey guys, I moved the Stock class discussion here:
