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Post by Eagle Racing on Aug 7, 2013 14:44:22 GMT -7
With 3 Race Masters on site for the Summer Nationals we had quite a discussion on the Pro Classes. What follows are some of the ideas discussed.
1. First idea was to make AW Top Fuel the premier unlimited class 4Gear chassis pancake motors only. this would be an easy fix just switch the current N/TF bodies.
2. The N/TF class would no longer allow in lines. However the best body innovation was doug412s altered stuff. The Drag U La cars added a lot of fun to the class. So lets ad Altered bodies to this class. Only 4Gear chassis with pancake motors though. Make this class a 5ohm but allow de-winding or rewinds but with ceramic motor magnets.
3. Black Tires In All Classes Only.
4. Standardize The Voltage for example:
T/F @ 26v N/TF @ 24v M/FC @ 24v MM/PS @ 22v PM/DS @ 22v
The voltage reflects where these cars should be running based on there 1to1 counterpart, for more realism. These are some of the ideas we had for these classes. These are just ideas, what do you think racers?
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Post by chriswfo on Aug 7, 2013 15:19:07 GMT -7
I would think that the arms in T/F or the current N/TF should be left unlimited other then they have to be a pancake design. Most of us have already spent the money on arms and would like to get some use out of them. If it is to be the premier class it should have something that sets it apart from the rest and not just be a different body on the same chassis. I'd would like to see a unlimited class, most of the NTRA classes are designed to keep costs down but having one class is which anything goes wouldn't be a bad idea, only limitation would be that it has to be a dragster style body and black tires.
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Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Aug 7, 2013 17:53:40 GMT -7
EAGLE, I love the idea of making Top Fuel a unlimited pancake arm class the only thing I would change is allow any pancake chassis.I feel this could make alot more cars show up on race day.Don't be scared they would all be pancake chassis.
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Post by AJR on Aug 7, 2013 19:11:45 GMT -7
Although I agree that opening it up to any pancake chassis would bring in more cars, I think it should remain 4gear only. Apples to apples so to speak. I would think that an unlimited tjet chassis would certainly not destroy the gears ( brass ) and be faster than a 4gear. So why even try to build a 4gear. The main purpose of this class was to see how fast a 4gear could run. I know...I know...the 4gear Outlaw unlimited class was thought up by others earlier, but we did not know that at the time and besides it was never run until Summer Nationals 2012 as a match race between myself and Eagle. Since then some vague rules were put in place with loopholes ( inlines in the 4gear chassis ). I would suggest another unlimited class utilizing another pancake chassis, but they are expensive builds and not rookie friendly. In retrospect....maybe we've already reached the limitations of what the 4gear can do until better gears are available. I do realize that not everyone is capable or willing to try and modify the existing gears. I personally have enjoyed the challenge and am looking forward to running it again next year.
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Post by Doug412 on Aug 8, 2013 3:55:28 GMT -7
With 3 Race Masters on site for the Summer Nationals we had quite a discussion on the Pro Classes. What follows are some of the ideas discussed. 1. First idea was to make AW Top Fuel the premier unlimited class 4Gear chassis pancake motors only. this would be an easy fix just switch the current N/TF bodies. 2. The N/TF class would no longer allow in lines. However the best body innovation was doug412s altered stuff. The Drag U La cars added a lot of fun to the class. So lets ad Altered bodies to this class. Only 4Gear chassis with pancake motors though. Make this class a 5ohm but allow de-winding or rewinds but with ceramic motor magnets. Thanks Guys, always enjoy bringing something new to whatever i do.... Twisted that way! I like my in line Drag-U-La2... It doesn't always win but looks good in pics! Got lots of comments on it. As for voltage 22-26 well my power supply is a train transformer i can regulate 13.8-22 volts so i would need to buy a new source? I'm trying to work on timing systems but now what... I need all new stuff? Come on! Everyone likes the FED cause you can build whatever run... If we aren't going to run inlines for that we need an altered class.. to run the customs we already have built! Just Sayin' Hope we can all come up with some good answers... Me, i like the F.E.D. N/TF the way it is.. Thanks and remember if's only an opinion! RACE ON Doug412
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Post by Eagle Racing on Aug 8, 2013 4:51:57 GMT -7
I can understand the power supply objection over setting standard volts for races. If you race Pro Classes your track will just be slower like mine, except slower. So no you don't have to buy new equipment. Keep everything the way it is, I have no problem with that. They are just ideas.
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Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Aug 8, 2013 6:53:43 GMT -7
If the class is unlimited then you would be aloud to use any gears like custom metal gears that Eagle is trying to make for his 4 gear chassis so it would level the playing field for any pancake chassis to be used in the class.Just saying if it's going to be unlimited anyone could use any pancake chassis they wanted that way. It is starting to sound like Texas wants to be able to win everything or it's not fare or just scared to lose.
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Post by pceng on Aug 8, 2013 9:52:56 GMT -7
Hey all,
Was thinking that simplifying class rules could make things easier for all. Right now the NTRA is running four types of chassis with rules that have particular's to body styles. If we had four sets of rules applied to all chassis types with tire sizes listed at the end of rules for all chassis types things would be way simpler for all.
For instance lets say we had stock, modified, pro, and outlaw classes. Most everything we race would fall into one off these classes. The rules for each type chassis would be the same depending on class run. Only four sets of rules for all and tire size being the only class specific thing. Tire size for every chassis could be listed at end of rules for st, mod, pro, or outlaw.
Was thinking stock for all chassis should be slip-on's and brushes (knowing the difference between brush types could be problem, so figured any readily available).
Modified could be five ohmer's and gears.
Pro, five ohmer's, polys, gears, braids shunts, and sili-foams.
Outlaw, anything goes for chassis type.
Think something like this would make things simple for all, so called vets or someone looking at the site for the first time. Body types for classes could be left up to hosting track.
Got to go right now, try to get back later, looks like the "smack" is spreading ............. Peter
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Post by AJR on Aug 8, 2013 11:14:30 GMT -7
If the class is unlimited then you would be aloud to use any gears like custom metal gears that Eagle is trying to make for his 4 gear chassis so it would level the playing field for any pancake chassis to be used in the class.Just saying if it's going to be unlimited anyone could use any pancake chassis they wanted that way. It is starting to sound like Texas wants to be able to win everything or it's not fare or just scared to lose. Really Phantom......Think what you want man. I just finally won my first races after 2 1/2 yrs. That's a bold statement you made. Whatever. None of this is up to us anyway. Just suggestions. I was merely stating how all of this came about and that it was originally 4gear unlimited...not pancake unlimited. I really don't have any problems with the rules how they stand right now anyway. Pceng has had the hot inline in the class and it would be interesting to me to see that progress. My focus lately has been trying to get some things in order to pick up one of these lost races.....for all of us!!
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Post by chriswfo on Aug 8, 2013 11:31:45 GMT -7
JJ, I think all of us are thankful that you are stepping up try and fill the void left by the 2 cancelled races. We are all lucky that the DFW area has a good core of racers that support each other and allow these races to be staged. It looks like a lot of work to put on a small one much less one with 75 entries.
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Post by ninjatek on Aug 8, 2013 12:57:26 GMT -7
Attention!! Attention!!
I am not really sure if this is smack talk that has gone awry or a sideways jabs at how NTRA is being run. If it is smack talk, it needs to be toned down a notch and not imply any type of underhandedness is taking place. If someone has a legitimate complaint they would like addressed, attacking one another in open forum is not the way to go about it. I will hear any complaint (and believe me I do) and attempt to resolve it to you satisfaction. Doesn't mean you will be satisfied but a definitive resolution will be reached. Not every complaint needs to go though me. We are (well most of us) are adults seeking to enjoy this hobby and we should be able to resolve matters without tearing each other down. The current discussion was to seek insight and opinions. Suggestions and comments made concerning class structure and chassis builds are not final, but suggestions. Please continue this discussion in harmony and with civility. Continued accusations could result in a temporary forum membership suspension, especially if no complaint has been submitted to me.
Cordell - aka Ninjatek NTRA Race Coordinator
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Post by AJR on Aug 8, 2013 13:43:46 GMT -7
Chris you have a pm.
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Post by 79malibu on Aug 8, 2013 15:02:50 GMT -7
well it looks like phantom and myself have to get our tracks up and running and bring some races in n.j.
mac
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Post by Eagle Racing on Aug 9, 2013 3:55:52 GMT -7
Excellent Mac, look forward to racing in NJ. When you get ready for buildings, I used a great little model train program for that let me know I will send info.
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Post by Doug412 on Aug 9, 2013 8:55:01 GMT -7
Here is a Race idea: Mockingbird Heights Dragway will Host a future: "Curse of the Hearse Race" My only requirement is the body has to be a HEARSE.... Any Chassis Will DO!!
Mine came home and got a complete makeover. . . Bahaha! Race On Doug412
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