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Post by AJR on Jul 2, 2016 19:03:58 GMT -7
 Hmmmmm........interesting. I initially like the challenges this poses. Would Tjet NP/S w/stock arm run with the other two? This would also keep things simpler instead of having all of these different lists. The current list would basically stay the same and a 4g chassis ( Doorslammer) and a Tjet chassis (NP/S) would be allowed to compete. MM/PS could have it's own separate inline list?? Good stuff.
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Post by sjracer on Jul 3, 2016 5:17:17 GMT -7
I'm in favor of some sort of class consolidation also or at worse an open class as is being described. Sam can tell you that when they first started there weren't nearly as many classes. As participation and interest picked up/changed things changed. However, if they have to run together i would think they should all have the same arm specs. I don't see how such a move harms anyone?
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Post by SKR on Jul 3, 2016 10:28:25 GMT -7
true Darryl, we started with Gasser and Super Stock. Both were popular classes. I like the consolidated idea also and know there needs to be more testing involved to even out the chassis builds. Just from my experience, a T-Jet with a mean green armature will blow the other two chassis away. That's why I suggested a stock arm. It will be interesting to see how an x-traction style chassis will work with braids on the pick up shoes and no additional traction magnets... Maybe an invitational is in order to see how his would shake out?
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Post by AJR on Jul 3, 2016 12:41:56 GMT -7
true Darryl, we started with Gasser and Super Stock. Both were popular classes. I like the consolidated idea also and know there needs to be more testing involved to even out the chassis builds. Just from my experience, a T-Jet with a mean green armature will blow the other two chassis away. That's why I suggested a stock arm. It will be interesting to see how an x-traction style chassis will work with braids on the pick up shoes and no additional traction magnets... Maybe an invitational is in order to see how his would shake out? Sam I just want to make sure that I am clear on this. Pro Street X2 build allows for two traction magnets (not in conjunction with wheelie bars). I wasn't sure what you meant by no additional traction magnets. I also understand what you are saying about the Tjet chassis with a stock arm. I have limited experience with them is why I asked. I trust your judgement. Thanks. |
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Post by sjracer on Jul 3, 2016 13:19:24 GMT -7
Are you sure Sam? Al Pink I need your expertise/records or perhaps your memory will do. I know at Hanks's/Al's race we were running tuff ones with a traction magnet and mean green and they couldn't beat the the stock Afx ( non magna -traction) with all stock parts or the stock magna -traction with all stock parts. The only thing that was added to the 3 gear cars were slip on silicone tires. The tjet even had the option of silicone sponge tires. Why not allow traction magnets to be added, the four gear has two? I'd even allow the wheelie bar, I think it depends on the voltage the class would run.
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Post by SKR on Jul 3, 2016 14:47:06 GMT -7
you are correct Jeff, Thanks for correcting me.
Below are old qualifying results from PSD. These classes were all ran at 26 Volts. I know results will vary with voltage. Like I said testing will have to happen. Just looking for a way to make the different chassis even in performance. Kind of like how NHRA puts weight restrictions in Pro Mod.
Nitrous 2425lbs Super Charger 2600lbs Turbo 2650lbs
RAT ROD1. RV Racing .6561 @ 20.65 mph 2. SST1610 .7322 @ 20.54 mph 3. Ninjatek .7373 @ 19.21 mph 4. Eddiebee .8737 @ 15.32 mph 5. Scottman .9300 @ 15.02 mph 6. TGM2054 1.6987 @ 8.05 mph 7. Bondoman 1.8854 @ 7.22 mph Gasser1. R/T Racing .5064 @ 27.06 mph (Demon & Richards Team) 2. Falcon .5166 @ 28.29 mph 3. SST1610 5286 @ 25.44 mph 4. RV Racing .5346 @ 26.43 mph 5. Ninjatek .5475 @ 24.35 mph 6. Scottman 6207 @ 21.58 mph 7. Bondoman .7797 @ 19.25 mph 8. Charley .8860 @ 14.69 mph 9. Eddiebee Broke Gear
Door Slammer 1. Bondoman .6660 @ 21.04 mph 2. RV Racing .7607 @ 20.29 mph 3. Ninjatek .7990 @ 16.16 mph 4. SJ Racer .8196 @ 17.76 mph 5. TGM2054 .8574 @ 15.78 mph 6. Hairy Canary .9244 @ 14.35 mph 8. Eddiebee 1.1714 @ 11.44 mph 8. Scottman Broke Gear . |
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Post by AJR on Jul 3, 2016 14:59:32 GMT -7
I just wanted to make sure I was understanding correctly. You know I've been "rule challenged" a couple of times this year. I like where this is going so far. A cool concept for sure. I'm all about some testing ....my track is currently collecting dust. |
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Post by sjracer on Jul 3, 2016 17:13:03 GMT -7
Good information Sam, perhaps it's the distance we run which 20 ft 7 3/4 inches( I believe)? However, Door Slammer does have an extra gear. I always though the advantage of the t-jet was having the all metal top plate which seem to become a factor with the high performance custom wound arms. Honestly stock they're just a slimmer version of the Afx chassis and they don't even come close in e.t on my track. I though that was why all the three gear world records were done with t-jets.
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Post by kiwidave on Jul 5, 2016 3:13:47 GMT -7
He's another thought? You allow a racer to enter two cars. One big tire, one small tire.
Big tire.
Current chassis rules tire size not to exceed maybe .485"?
Small tire.
Tjet based chassis. Same parts rules as Pro Street but maybe .450" tire?
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Post by SKR on Jul 8, 2016 14:59:03 GMT -7
I know Jeff showed interest in holding the next PSO event so I thought I'd post the updated class build rules. We all have ideas on how to open this class up with different chassis builds however more testing needs to be done before we set new rules for this class. I propose we do not make any drastic changes until next year. Until then I encourage all to build different types of chassis to send along with their PSO for comparison and grudge matches. I feel the more info we can collectively gather, the better this class will turn out. Just think, no bickering of what pancake chassis has to be ran.... you get to run what you like. Could be a lot of fun.
Below are the updated PSO rules for the remainder of this year. I did add braid and shunts to the rules as being legal. Like nosub mentioned, there are plenty of us that are willing to help make braided pick up shoes for competitors. Just ask.
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PRO-STREET OUTLAWS
AFX/X-Traction & Non-Magna-Traction (updated 07/25/2016)
| Tires | Any slip on tire/wheel combo combination. Double flanged wheels allowed Tire diameter not to exceed .490" max diameter. Tires must not be wider than wheel used.
| Gears
| Original top plate gears only. Any crown gear may be used. Gears may be blueprinted.
| Armature | Any factory wound armature. No lower than 5.0 ohm. Blueprinting permitted. No de-winding or timing adjustments allowed.
| Motor Magnets
| 2 motor magnets max. Ceramic material only, Dash magnets are permitted. Magnets may be shimmed with non ferrous, non magnetized material. Magnets may be glued into place.
| Chassis
| Top plate must be of same mfg. as chassis. Blueprinting is permitted. No cutting on chassis or top plate Only one guide pin. Chassis may be cut for the addition of traction magnets and the relocation of the guide pin to properly fit a car body.
| Traction Magnets
| Allowed, no more than 2.
| Electrical
| Readily available. Stock or stock replacement. Braid and shunt wires are allowed.
| Body
| Body must have doors and fenders. Body mounts maybe repositioned. Only hard plastic, injection molded or resin bodies allowed. Scoops, wings, parachutes etc...are optional.
| Miscellaneous
| Wheelie bars and up to 2 traction magnets can be used. Ballast is permitted but must not be visible from the outside of body.
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Post by 79malibu on Jul 8, 2016 17:34:01 GMT -7
Sam I have a question I built a non- mag chassis for the psi can I run it? Let me know thanks. Mac
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Post by sjracer on Jul 8, 2016 18:38:07 GMT -7
Hi Sam,
After viewing the updated rules, I wanted to suggest being able to use both wheelie bars and traction magnets. When I asked for numbers comparing the different chassis builds you did research and compared the different chassis(es) to the Ratt Rod class of tjet. In that class both are allowed. If you're runnng that fast great, if not it's just additional weight and drag. Perhaps allow ballast or traction bar?
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Post by SKR on Jul 8, 2016 19:18:04 GMT -7
Mac, I see no problem with that. Go ahead and enter it.
Darryl, I think that is a fair request. We'll allow the use of both.
Anyone else have any small tweaks they'd like to see?
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Post by SKR on Jul 8, 2016 19:23:15 GMT -7
Rules have been updated. New and Modified rules are in bold black text. I'll be adding these rules to the navigation bar at the top of the page in the next couple of days so that they are easy to find.
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Post by 79malibu on Jul 9, 2016 4:35:53 GMT -7
Can someone post pics of braids and shunts installed? Thanks also Sam what voltage are the pso running?
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Hmmmmm........interesting. I initially like the challenges this poses. Would Tjet NP/S w/stock arm run with the other two? This would also keep things simpler instead of having all of these different lists. The current list would basically stay the same and a 4g chassis ( Doorslammer) and a Tjet chassis (NP/S) would be allowed to compete. MM/PS could have it's own separate inline list?? Good stuff.
