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Post by dave632 on Jul 6, 2019 14:27:42 GMT -7
I was working on one of the cars for the next event and thought I would try some shunts on the chassis. I use BSRT thin silver shunt wire.
I made 4 runs before and 6 runs after. No other changes were made, same pickups etc.
The car LOST .03 in ET and 1 MPH average. This makes no sense to me. Can anyone figure that out? Has anyone had a similar experience? I have had the shunts make NO difference many times but never slow the car down. I put a different pair of pickups on the car and some of the performance came back. After fiddling some with it, it was back where it was.
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Post by AJR on Jul 7, 2019 7:32:47 GMT -7
I was working on one of the cars for the next event and thought I would try some shunts on the chassis. I use BSRT thin silver shunt wire. I made 4 runs before and 6 runs after. No other changes were made, same pickups etc. The car LOST .03 in ET and 1 MPH average. This makes no sense to me. Can anyone figure that out? Has anyone had a similar experience? I have had the shunts make NO difference many times but never slow the car down. I put a different pair of pickups on the car and some of the performance came back. After fiddling some with it, it was back where it was. I don't always get any gains from adding shunts, but I don't lose power from them. I always add them when they are allowed because I look at the pick up spring and then a shunt wire......the electrical path has to be better and more consistent than just the spring and hinge. I have had the pick ups themselves rob power, but typically not when they have braids on them. If you're adding shunts then I presume you have braids as well. I'm more inclined to think that just the handling of the chassis to install the shunts did more to cause the loss in power instead of the shunts themselves. Some......ok wait...... most of my cars will turn to crap once they are tuned if I just breath on them it seems?? It's so hard to get them to go fast, but so easy to lose that speed once they are there. I....like you Dave....cannot figure out why that happens.
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Post by dave632 on Jul 7, 2019 8:42:26 GMT -7
I guess I am not the only one who can look at one of the pancake cars and have it slow down??? I have never had shunts slow the car down before. Here is another very strange thing that has happened more than once. I am test running a car and it achieves a pretty consistent time. I match race it against another car and suddenly the time improves by .01 or so. Do these cars have an ego??? Jeff one race comes to mind when our cars were racing each other for #1 in the 4G class. For the first time my car took over the #1 spot running the best it ever had. On the re race your car ran it's best ever also setting that classes track record which still stands. I don't think either one of them has ran that good since. I think the car got mad about losing its spot!!!
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Post by AJR on Jul 7, 2019 10:21:47 GMT -7
I guess I am not the only one who can look at one of the pancake cars and have it slow down??? I have never had shunts slow the car down before. Here is another very strange thing that has happened more than once. I am test running a car and it achieves a pretty consistent time. I match race it against another car and suddenly the time improves by .01 or so. Do these cars have an ego??? Jeff one race comes to mind when our cars were racing each other for #1 in the 4G class. For the first time my car took over the #1 spot running the best it ever had. On the re race your car ran it's best ever also setting that classes track record which still stands. I don't think either one of them has ran that good since. I think the car got mad about losing its spot!!! THAT is a scenario that I have seen several times with my cars and others. They sometimes do have a mind of their own. I remember that race between our cars. That has happened with PSO and 4GO both at Bear Creek and Smoky Mountain. You are also right about the cars not running good since. That was the Thunderbirds last gasp. It hasn't run near that good since. I'm afraid to touch my cars once I have them running good. Because I know they could turn turd very easy. You are definitely not the only one that happens to. I'm struggling right now with my cars for Gale's race. They just are not responding......none of them.
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Post by sandfly on Jul 7, 2019 12:13:12 GMT -7
Aint that the truth, you should try racing 13 cars every week, the pressure to retune cars after every event is great but the results can be disastrous, you then speed all your time getting that one car back to where it nearly was, just to remember we are racing toys,
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Post by dave632 on Jul 9, 2019 8:17:28 GMT -7
It might sound crazy but in many cases the full size cars were easier to figure out than these HO ones. They are small but still a machine which can have quirks just like any other machine. I have been fighting with the 4G cars recently and they are giving me fits. I had one getting better on each run then all of a sudden it lost a full tenth with no changes??? I am leaving the regular AFX and T jet style cars alone now as they are running OK. If I even look at them they will probably explode.
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Post by GTS on Jul 9, 2019 17:55:24 GMT -7
I struggle with all the pancake cars . Although my 2 T-jets on 18v are quicker than my 2 - 4gears on 20v , I'm gonna try hard to leave all 4 of those alone for now and try to bring my MT car below 1 second. That will be a huge accomplishment for me ....... if it even happens.
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Post by AJR on Jul 14, 2019 5:33:02 GMT -7
Here is another strange happening......or maybe not. I built another XT Comp chassis for the Hot August Nationals but have not been able to get it to run. .80ET + is it's best, which is dog slow. I used some braid that I have not ever used before to experiment. I noticed that this copper braid was not all copper since a magnet would stick to it. I have never seen this before. I had tried several things, even changing the motor and the magnets. I knew it had to be something with the chassis, so I decided to go back to the braid material I have been using and Ba Bam!! Got a tenth back immediately! The car is now running in the high .6's instead of the low .8's....just on a braid material change. I never would have noticed that the braid was magnetic if one had not stuck to a magnet on my desk when I was installing them. That roll of braid has found it's way to the trash can! FYI.......
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Post by GTS on Jul 14, 2019 6:45:17 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing that, Jeff. I have some of that magnetic braid, also that I've used. Left over from other projects. I'll have to change that out and see if I can get similar improvements .
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Post by AJR on Jul 14, 2019 9:36:20 GMT -7
That magnetic braid, or at least what I used, does not have the conductivity the copper does. One other thing about braid material....most of the time it is used for desoldering. So a lot of that type of braid material is infused with flux. That impedes the electrical conductivity. I recommend giving that type of braid some kind of solvent bath before using. I have an electrical contact cleaner that I use for that kind of thing, but lacquer thinner or something like that could be used as well.
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Post by dave632 on Jul 14, 2019 12:03:36 GMT -7
I had some of that magnetic braid which would be good for the rails in a routed track. I would think the resistance of what must be steel backed copper would be much higher than a full copper braid.
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Post by hairycanary on Jul 15, 2019 7:30:55 GMT -7
I had the same thing happen when I put shunts on too. I to lost about .03 on the ET. I took them off and got my ET back. That happened at two races I sent that car to. The second time I changed shoes and braids and same thing. So far I’ve left the shunts off. I’m planning on sending that car to Gales race but haven’t started testing yet. I’m in the middle of moving with no track. May have to send them un tested ? Running out of time😬
Rick
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Post by dave632 on Jul 15, 2019 8:07:05 GMT -7
I guess I am not the only one that happened to. It makes no Electrical sense at all??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 9:52:29 GMT -7
if you are adding braids and shunts are allowed, add them too. braids alone might upset the "patch" on the rail (although I would think it would increase that to an advantage) or the solder used might have greater resistance?
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Post by dave632 on Jul 15, 2019 13:44:31 GMT -7
I struggle with all the pancake cars . Although my 2 T-jets on 18v are quicker than my 2 - 4gears on 20v , I'm gonna try hard to leave all 4 of those alone for now and try to bring my MT car below 1 second. That will be a huge accomplishment for me ....... if it even happens. Yes, even with the 2 volt spot my 4 gears are slower than my T jets and AFX cars by quite a bit.
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