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Post by pete on Jun 13, 2020 12:04:56 GMT -7
They are. The question should be about the ploy tractions from 30 years ago that are factory grade for the g plus. It is a interesting wording of the rule.
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Post by dave632 on Jun 14, 2020 8:19:44 GMT -7
I have a gauss meter and at least the level 4 magnets I have tested read in the same range as other so called
ceramic magnets. I have seen 40+ year old T jet ceramic magnets read as low as 300 gauss and late model out of the
box stock AW magnets read as high as 1000 gauss. What I have found with some of the newer AFTERMARKET magnets that have been
recently released is that they have a lower range on one side and higher on the other. In other words the reading on the
motor side is about 7-800 and on the other side the reading is about 5-600 gauss higher. I don't know what process
is used to get this to happen but this is the latest thing I have seen with motor magnets.
I recently learned that 10,000 gauss has been named a Tesla.
Nothing I have tested reads anywhere near that and none of the motors we run would be able to spin with that much
magnetic power. I have tested some Neo magnets that were in the 4500 range or almost half a Tesla.
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Post by pete on Jun 14, 2020 9:22:29 GMT -7
To be clear Im not saying there is a problem. I've been here 4 years(?) and the rules haven't changed. I understand the reason they are that way when they were written. Both Dave and Jeff have heard from me on rules and my wanting to have them reviewed if they are still current to what is available. Im not nit picking any one person or any one car, just questioning what has worked so well for so long still holds. Timing of armatures and magnets have changed as to make some of our rules out dated. Yes I said ours, we all are in this together and I thank the ones before me that have brought this to us thus far.
We allow chassis modification as to lower magnets to make a car more competitive in their class. One only needs to look at race data to see improvement or the need to improve. It should also work the other direction too.
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Post by AJR on Jun 14, 2020 14:24:35 GMT -7
To be clear Im not saying there is a problem. I've been here 4 years(?) and the rules haven't changed. I understand the reason they are that way when they were written. Both Dave and Jeff have heard from me on rules and my wanting to have them reviewed if they are still current to what is available. Im not nit picking any one person or any one car, just questioning what has worked so well for so long still holds. Timing of armatures and magnets have changed as to make some of our rules out dated. Yes I said ours, we all are in this together and I thank the ones before me that have brought this to us thus far. We allow chassis modification as to lower magnets to make a car more competitive in their class. One only needs to look at race data to see improvement or the need to improve. It should also work the other direction too. Pete I appreciate your concern and understand what you are saying. I've been here almost 10 years and there is always someone that is questioning something in the rules. That will never change. The current rules format has worked so far and it has actually been in place during the four years. I personally do not like open forum rules discussions because everybody has an opinion and the real issue usually get clouded up. Both pancake and Inline Stock Class rules are going to change after Al's race. Stock should be stock and High Perf chassis such as the G3 and Viper don't really have a place because they completely outclass any of the true stock chassis. A stock G3 or Viper motor magnet are waaay better than a stock SG+. PM me with your concerns and lets discuss this off open forum and race thread. I want to understand exactly what you are saying. Thanks for the input. |
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Post by GTS on Jun 14, 2020 15:38:22 GMT -7
Today, being Sunday, is the day I normally make a list and fantasize  about what I think I can get done in the coming week. Well, it occurred to me that this up and coming Thursday leaves only 2 weeks to get my cars to the Summer Slam at alpink's. I've had some packages, these last couple weeks, really take a lot longer than normal to be delivered. With that being the 'new norm' in this neck of the woods, I figured I better plan on mailing (1st Class) this Friday and hope that's ample time in case it heads for Arizona first. Besides, that gives me 4 days to get my entries even slower, plenty of time  . Really looking forward to the race and don't wanna chance missin' it. |
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Post by dave632 on Jun 14, 2020 15:49:27 GMT -7
I also agree that the stock class needs some changes and the BSRT and Vipers need to be moved to Super Stock as they completely outclass the Production cars from Tyco, AW, Aurora & Tomy etc.
Having said that it is Ok to make suggestions as far as rules but it will be up to the moderators as to what rules need to be and it will be done off board. As you may have noticed in one of the race threads almost every racer had a different opinion as to what the rules should be. This will not work.
Remember these are supposed to be fun events. Lets not go crazy with rules. Lets race instead.
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Post by woodcote on Jun 15, 2020 11:40:24 GMT -7
My cars started their journey today. Fingers-crossed they arrive in plenty of time for the race!
As usual, I forgot to take a picture of the cars on the trailer. Next time...
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Post by dave632 on Jun 15, 2020 16:50:24 GMT -7
At least they are not coming from China. Those deliveries are really slow right now.
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Post by dynomike on Jun 16, 2020 15:09:08 GMT -7
Put me down for 1 more in each class. Also is there a better magnet for the aw xtraction that are legal for stock?
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Post by AJR on Jun 16, 2020 16:10:13 GMT -7
Put me down for 1 more in each class. Also is there a better magnet for the aw xtraction that are legal for stock? Rules are on page 1 of this thread below Sign Up sheet and spell out what magnets are legal. They can be found at Jag Hobbies. I have added one more entry in all classes. |
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Post by skillet on Jun 16, 2020 16:12:52 GMT -7
Mike i found some afx magnatraction magnets were stronger than aw. I have a scale i got from harbor freight to compare. Sam/Skillet   |
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Post by comet on Jun 16, 2020 17:09:01 GMT -7
nice to see the field growing .
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Post by GTS on Jun 17, 2020 16:10:27 GMT -7
Well. I didn't do any tuning yesterday to my cars. So, cleaned the tires and shoes on the Tjets and ran them today. Both running consistently in the mid .900's now. I find it amazing how much faster they go when I quit messin' with them  . |
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Post by dave632 on Jun 17, 2020 16:22:47 GMT -7
Well. I didn't do any tuning yesterday to my cars. So, cleaned the tires and shoes on the Tjets and ran them today. Both running consistently in the mid .900's now. I find it amazing how much faster they go when I quit messin' with them . I had one of my cars running good in the 1000' but a little off in the 660'. So I decided to put smaller tires on it to get it moving quicker. It acted like I had insulted it's mother would not even go down the track. Tried all my tricks to no avail and had to go back to the original setup completely and then it was happy again... What a PIA. |
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Post by dave632 on Jun 18, 2020 13:46:28 GMT -7
All my cars are ready for Al's race including a couple of Hornby's for England. I ordered another one of those but don't know if it will arrive in time.  Cars for Al's 7/20 race |
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about what I think I can get done in the coming week. Well, it occurred to me that this up and coming Thursday leaves only 2 weeks to get my cars to the Summer Slam at alpink's. I've had some packages, these last couple weeks, really take a lot longer than normal to be delivered. With that being the 'new norm' in this neck of the woods, I figured I better plan on mailing (1st Class) this Friday and hope that's ample time in case it heads for Arizona first. Besides, that gives me 4 days to get my entries even slower, plenty of time 
. Really looking forward to the race and don't wanna chance missin' it.
