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Post by gnome on Mar 6, 2022 17:17:45 GMT -7
My car is nowhere near that MPH, I think mine hit 32 MPH @ 20 volts, figure 40 or so at 26. I have not tried 26V but that should put a 58 MPH car near 70. I did have my 3G T jet hit 44 MPH still not close to 58 @ 20 volts. That time was with no body And im finding that my cars might pick up 2 more mph with the et suffering a bit at 26 volts. I find anything over 22 starts to burn my coms at 26 you can smell it frying. I have produced the best times between 20-22 volts . If i can get them working well on 26 we might rotate the earth a little
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Post by dave632 on Mar 7, 2022 8:29:07 GMT -7
Race will be interesting with some disasters. Reminds me of Top Fuel racing where the motor, if it's still in one piece, is rebuilt after every run. I was told by Ed Garlits, Dons nephew who I knew well, that they used to tour with one motor and one spare back in the 70s and run the whole season that way. They did not rebuild after every run back then and costs were a fraction of what they are now.
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Post by AJR on Mar 7, 2022 10:16:24 GMT -7
Fellow Drago Mate A thought to consider, About the drag car we put more time and money into 🤔 Is it "True" running our 4gear unlimited at 20 volts will allow us to enjoy racing them multiple, many times over, without destroying our cars turning them into junk 🤔 Sure it is nice to know there best mph, Maybe consider the 26 volts for a class above, Which may be just a few fellows ? This not adding to the race masters load , It just spreads them out a little. Fin That would apply to any hot build Mike. Obviously running them at a lower voltage would make any car last longer. This Class has always run at 26v. It is an Unlimited Class after all. Not for the faint of heart. The higher voltage and amperage is necessary for the parts that are allowed. Part of the game has been durablility with this particular Class. This chassis was never meant or built to go this fast. We are overcoming boundaries of the chassis itself. This is the Top Fuel of our Classes. There are slower Classes for those that want their cars to last longer. The intent of the voltage is NOT to tear everyone's cars up and turn them into junk. The voltage itself puts limitations on the motors, downforce, and other things. It just isn't 4G Unlimited if it isn't run at 26v. I do all my testing at 26v. If it's not going to stand up to it in testing, it sure isn't going to during the race.
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Post by finistauri on Mar 7, 2022 10:29:52 GMT -7
Jeff Thanks for responding,I have a better understanding, The achievements have been great with the 4gears. Fin
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Post by AJR on Mar 7, 2022 10:48:45 GMT -7
Jeff Thanks for responding,I have a better understanding, The achievements have been great with the 4gears. Fin It's been crazy Mike. The bar has been raised so much higher than I thought it ever could be. Gnome posted that he is in the .2's! That is truly unbelievable and a fantastic accomplishment on Jeff's part. I know he said that was without the body but that is still going to be faster than anything we've seen yet. But he is also seeing the limitations of the motor vs the voltage. I have said this before.......prior to 2014 the owner of the forum Sam Beckworth had a track in Colorado (Pikes Peak Dragway). There was another track there as well (Drag City USA). They both ran league racing and proxy racing. They both used deep cycle batteries that when fully charged were 27v with unlimited amperage. Everything ran at those voltages. 4G Unlimited and Mountain Motor Pro Stock (Inline) started at those tracks, Blacktop Raceway, and Bear Creek and have been extremely popular ever since. Talk about gears shredding.....that is some gear shredding power. But that's how it is done in some places. The trick of 4GU is to find that happy medium between lightning fast and making it through a race. The last couple of meetings have shown it is achievable. There have only been a few cars throughout the years that were truly damaged bad. One of those was mine and it was caught on camera. Most issues are pinions coming off, crown gear issues, wheels slipping, things like that.
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Post by AJR on Mar 7, 2022 10:56:45 GMT -7
My car is nowhere near that MPH, I think mine hit 32 MPH @ 20 volts, figure 40 or so at 26. I have not tried 26V but that should put a 58 MPH car near 70. I did have my 3G T jet hit 44 MPH still not close to 58 @ 20 volts. That time was with no body And im finding that my cars might pick up 2 more mph with the et suffering a bit at 26 volts. I find anything over 22 starts to burn my coms at 26 you can smell it frying. I have produced the best times between 20-22 volts . If i can get them working well on 26 we might rotate the earth a little I've been excited to see what you and Rick bring back to the table. You guys made it to the end at the last meeting of this Class. My fastest has hit high .37 at 48mph. It has fallen of of that slightly. I think I'm done for now. I may play around with downforce but I think that's all I got. I'ma scared.......
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Post by hairycanary on Mar 7, 2022 17:22:41 GMT -7
Race will be interesting with some disasters. Reminds me of Top Fuel racing where the motor, if it's still in one piece, is rebuilt after every run. I was told by Ed Garlits, Dons nephew who I knew well, that they used to tour with one motor and one spare back in the 70s and run the whole season that way. They did not rebuild after every run back then and costs were a fraction of what they are now. I agree with Dave these 4G Unlimiteds are like running a little nitro car. They’re hard to tune, they are hard to get to the tunable point. They’re unpredictable on the edge every pass and capable of blowing up at any time. I think that’s why it’s my new favorite class. I know there’s a lot of different thoughts on the voltage but I like the 26V it adds to the uncertainty the excitement the explosiveness to the class plus the challenge of making it live. It’s what Nitro does to the real cars. And I totally agree with what Jeff said... it’s not for faint. I drive a truck and have all day to think about stupid stuff. Was thinking about this today maybe something to think about for future races in this class. Giving the car owner or crew chief the option to choose what voltage he or she would like to run ? Have a maximum voltage let’s say 26V and you have the opinion of anything less. It would be like mixing Nitro how much percentage to run. If a guy has a car that runs consistent at 20V and lives but 26V kills his setup he has a chance to go rounds. And maybe could make qualifying possible ? Having the option to make a qualifying run or not ? You could make a safe qualifying pass on a lower voltage or lean on it at 26V. Place the car’s that made qualifying runs in order and fill the non runners randomly to fill the bottom part of the field , that way there would be less chance of two faster cars meeting in the first round. And it kinda gives a small preview of what your car is going to do on a unfamiliar track. The drawback would be more work and confusion for the racemasters. Just my thoughts🤪 One of my favorite quotes fits this class to a T... “4G Unlimited Racing" Equals Hours and Hours of tedious monotony punctuated by " .3 SECONDS OF SHEER TERROR"
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Post by hairycanary on Mar 7, 2022 17:43:54 GMT -7
That time was with no body And im finding that my cars might pick up 2 more mph with the et suffering a bit at 26 volts. I find anything over 22 starts to burn my coms at 26 you can smell it frying. I have produced the best times between 20-22 volts . If i can get them working well on 26 we might rotate the earth a little I've been excited to see what you and Rick bring back to the table. You guys made it to the end at the last meeting of this Class. My fastest has hit high .37 at 48mph. It has fallen of of that slightly. I think I'm done for now. I may play around with downforce but I think that's all I got. I'ma scared....... I had a chance this weekend to blow some stuff up. I haven’t touched a slot car since Jeff’s last race. I made a couple check out runs with my Head Hunter 4GU without the body at 20V it ran .375 at only 34 mph made 3 runs and spun the 9T gear off the arm. The only one I didn’t solder. I got a new Gnome arm to replace the Tjet arm I had in it. So now I have 4G advanced arm instead of the retarded timing. Alls I did is changed the arm everything else exactly the same it went .330 at only 43 mph without the body on 20V then I proceeded to screw things up. After hours and hours of tedious repair I got it back to .330 I want to leave it alone but I know I won’t 😁
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Post by dave632 on Mar 8, 2022 9:00:13 GMT -7
Now you know you cannot leave it alone. We all try to get that last .01 out of it and of course it always goes in the opposite direction. My 4GU was only hitting 32 MPH @ 20V the ET however was in the low .4s.
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Post by swiftkart on Mar 9, 2022 4:36:17 GMT -7
All of this 4GU .200'S@58 mph and .330's talk has me going back to the drawing board, I need to find a bunch of et and mph so my cars are competitive as they are nowhere near that fast at low .4's and very high .39's, Lol
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Post by ecbill on Mar 9, 2022 9:16:54 GMT -7
All of this 4GU .200'S@58 mph and .330's talk has me going back to the drawing board, I need to find a bunch of et and mph so my cars are competitive as they are nowhere near that fast at low .4's and very high .39's, Lol This is great. You guys keep making your 4GUs faster and faster. Hoping this might be one of those tortoise and hare situations. Provided of course the tortoise can complete a few successful passes.
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Post by dave632 on Mar 9, 2022 10:01:07 GMT -7
Not doing any more to mine. It was very unreliable the way it is, trying to go faster will probably make it worse. Good to see all this banter, the forum has been quiet lately.
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Post by skillet on Mar 9, 2022 14:32:43 GMT -7
Its always quiet when 4g unlimited is coming up.
I'll be coming in the race blind this time. I ordered more sensors for my track and was going to rewire it. Now we have a new track in the works , so I'm holding off on wiring the new sensors in and do it all at once. Doing the old school grab a fast car then tune a car to beat it or match it lol.
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Post by dave632 on Mar 9, 2022 15:17:11 GMT -7
Well, it's been proven if you can't finish a race, you cannot win it.
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Post by AJR on Mar 9, 2022 16:52:32 GMT -7
Well, it's been proven if you can't finish a race, you cannot win it. Yep that's exactly right........
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