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Post by customminatures on May 26, 2007 10:39:28 GMT -7
I am looking to buy a car and or parts for a drag car. What are availabe in the market? Is there top fuel rails or funny cars? Im no into the basic old school drag cars, I like the top fuel stuff.
Thanks, Matt
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Post by SKR on May 26, 2007 15:41:42 GMT -7
Hi Matt, Welcome to the forum. It's good to hear from another slot enthusiast. I know of one Top Fuel "somewhat modern" Funny car body that is available. It is made from lexan and is made by EIEIO. I think they were bought out by someone and am not sure if they still go by the same name. I'll post a picture of one this week. As far as Rails go, Most of the ones that I've seen are custom made out of styrene or lexan by the owner using a vacuum form machine and a die cast car. There is a guy in Nebraska by the name of Steve Geary ( I think ) that has some of the most amazing HO slot, drag replica's with livery of some of NHRA's top drivers in Pro Stock, Funny Car & Top Fuel. As far as parts, Take a look in the tech section. There are some links for hop up parts. Not sure if this is what your looking for. Maybe somone else here can help out. We are always looking for different HO slot drag bodies. Please pass on any info if you come across any. Do you have a track you race at Matt? Sam
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Post by customminatures on May 27, 2007 5:38:39 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply! Im not much into slot racing anymore. I used to be into it alot when I was younger, plus there is nowhere that I know of here in Sarasota,FL to race. What brings me to this site is, I am designing 1/64 rc cars. I thought it would be cool to change a few things about my rolling chassis to convert them to slot cars. If there was somewhere around here, I would racing along side with my kids, but so far no such luck. Im not looking for bodies so much as just the availability of "slot Drag Cars" on the market. I would like to produce a line for the masses if possible, I just dont know how popular they would be and If I would be waisting time and money. My company is geared towards RC cars in the HO scale, but would love to take on the challenge of slot cars also.
From what Ive read, seems drag cars use the same size tire/wheel as road race slot cars? Where can I get the skinny front wheels. Also in the background of this page looks to be a 55 chevy, where can I get detail parts like the seperate chrome motor?
Sorry for the off the wall questions! Ive been out of the loop for quite some time and need a little assistance.
Thanks again, Matt
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2007 2:41:44 GMT -7
Hi Matt, Glad to see you found the way here!! Psycho Slots is the BEST Active HO Drag forum anywhere! PERIOD.
Be sure and share some of your ideas here,with photos...sounds interesting...
Slots_4_Ever Brian
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Post by allstarhr on May 28, 2007 4:06:03 GMT -7
Hi Matt, There is an active group racing HO road courses in FL. www.fhora.com is their website. One of the tracks is in Sarasota if I remember right. They race all around the state from Ft. Meyer to Ocala, Melbourne to your area. I'm in S. Orlando and while I've visited a couple of their races, I'm more into drags also. Have you found some of the HO drag websites? Regarding the front tires, we've been using o-rings. Let me know what your planning on manufacturing as we may be able to adapt it to what we are doing in Orlando. Phil
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Post by allstarhr on May 28, 2007 4:10:05 GMT -7
[ color=Blue] Ok... I thought I was making it easier to see the difference in posts. I promise not to use the darker colors again. Maybe you can read it in lime.... Hi Matt, There is an active group racing HO road courses in FL. www.fhora.com is their website. One of the tracks is in Sarasota if I remember right. They race all around the state from Ft. Meyer to Ocala, Melbourne to your area. I'm in S. Orlando and while I've visited a couple of their races, I'm more into drags also. Have you found some of the HO drag websites? Regarding the front tires, we've been using o-rings. Let me know what your planning on manufacturing as we may be able to adapt it to what we are doing in Orlando. Phil[/color]
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Post by allstarhr on May 28, 2007 4:12:27 GMT -7
Ok... I thought I was making it easier to see the difference in posts. I promise not to use the darker colors again. Maybe you can read it in lime.... Hi Matt, There is an active group racing HO road courses in FL. www.fhora.com is their website. One of the tracks is in Sarasota if I remember right. They race all around the state from Ft. Meyer to Ocala, Melbourne to your area. I'm in S. Orlando and while I've visited a couple of their races, I'm more into drags also. Have you found some of the HO drag websites? Regarding the front tires, we've been using o-rings. Let me know what your planning on manufacturing as we may be able to adapt it to what we are doing in Orlando. Phil
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Post by customminatures on May 28, 2007 9:01:31 GMT -7
Again, thanks for the responces guys! Its good to see that there is tracks close to me. Looks like something me and my kids could do. In regaurds to what I am designing, I can show one picture I suppose...... Also, here is a picture of the RC cars that are in the development stages.... I had a idea with you guys in mind. Im not sure as to how well it will work, I guess it depends on your local track setup. From what I remember, most tracks had some kind of wall around the entire perimeter of the track. Weather it was 1 inch or 4 inches. I could easily adapt a place to put a guide pin into the front of my chassis so they could be used as a slot car and when the racing is done, pop off the pin and race on the same coarse but have FULL control. What do you guys think? I know alot of you out there have wished they could drive there HO scale slot cars and have full control. I know I did the same when I was younger. Well thats what I am trying to bring to the market. I know there have been other RC cars at this scale out there, but mine are hobby grade. No cheap toy will stand up to my cars. Anyway,enough jabber OT. Point is, I started building these cars and thought it would be cool to build some slot cat drag chassis too. I wasnt sure if there was anyone out there manufacturing them or not. So giving my current project, I plan on taking on this on too. ALLSTARHR- maybe I will be able to send you a BETA car to test at your local drag track! Is there any good HO Drag sites I should check out? Thanks again guys, Matt
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Post by SKR on May 28, 2007 12:50:30 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing your ideas with us Matt. Here are my thoughts on your project, mine only.
Having a radio controlled car with a guide pin to race on slot tracks would work. I would have concerns about it being competetive and consistent.
-Cars would be heavier from the radio reciever, speed control, power source, linkage, on/off switches etc...........
-If there is any play/slop in the steering linkage, then the car is going to want to dart side to side more than a typical slot car with stationary front wheels.
-Radio glitches
How long will the power source last? I guess you could come up with a pick up system similar to a slot car so the car could run on the same track power as the slots. This would bring up more questions. With most tracks running ( not all ) 18/24+ volts, would the motors in the r/c cars handle this?
Right now all I'm doing is drag racing. I Build a car solely for the purpose of being consistent for bracket racing and for the heads up classes, I build something that is going to get from point A to point B the quickest. There is not much to a HO slot car to work with so if you bring all the other variables mentioned above into the picture, a guy or gal is going to have that much more to tinker with.
I can honestly say for myself that I have never wanted to have full control of my "slot cars".
I'd be interested in any HO slot drag cars that were mass produced as long as they looked to scale and like the real 1/1's.
Just my thoughts. I'm sure your looking for feedback from the slot car guys/gals. If your serious about coming out with a product, my advice would be to find a track or tracks nearby and visit them and see what is available. A modern HO slot car's speed will amaze you.
You can find other slot sites by using the more popular search engines on the web. There is a lot of racing going on in Florida.
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Post by allstarhr on May 28, 2007 14:18:33 GMT -7
Ok Matt! Neat cars! I was not expecting the quality you are producing. I had decided that you were building 1/32 or 1/24 scale cars until I saw the picture with the quarter. I agree with Sam regarding the weight stopping them from being able to keep up with the current HO drag cars. There are some guys who go at this with the idea of building the world's fastest slot cars. They have now gone over 111 mph in 17.5 feet. These guys apparently go at it without any concern for cost or time invested. There does seems to be just as many tracks where the goal is close even competition regardless of the speed. That's where I am with my track. Sam was kind enough to post some pictures of it on this forum. Go to the home page and scroll down to "tracks". Click on that and click on "WDWAHO". While we could financially chase the fast cars, we have made a decision not too. We would rather have an easy, less time consuming way to race. I've got the voltage turned down to 18 volts and none of us are hitting it too hard. We only run 20-21 mph in the scale 1/8th mile. The USDRA guys are going over 100 mph in the scale 1/4 mile. We still have fun. Guess it's the difference in SS/HA at 8.80 et vs. T/F at 4.44 et. Ya can't tell me the SS/HA guys aren't having a good time. They still spend a lot of money but not half what a quality T/F car costs to run. By the way, I'm also in the process of building a totally portable HO drag strip. It will be a scale 1/8th mile and easily break down into 2 sections. The longer one is 10' and the timing equipment will be loaded on a laptop. I built one before but it unfortunately got destroyed. This one will have a racing surface 10" wide or 5" per lane. Not sure that would work too well without a guide pin. Give me a shout at allstarhr@yahoo.com if you like and maybe I can help with timing equipment or ?? Try www.usdra.com and www.geocities.com/hohra2004/ for a couple of neat HO drag sites. It was the geocities site that hooked me with the shorter/slower group. If you go too fast it just means the guy with the fastest reaction time wins. I'm too old and slow for that. Regards, Phil PS. Sam and crew, I'm really looking forward to racing with you guys in Colorado Springs at the end of June!
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Post by chima on May 28, 2007 14:41:28 GMT -7
Sam & I are looking forward to meeting and racing with you also, Phil. We really don't run the lightning fast cars on our track either. The average speed of the cars that are run on our track range between 15 MPH & 30 MPH. We do run a Pro Mod Class with the cars averaging in the 60's MPH at .24 of a second in 15'3". These cars cost a lot and like to go through gears. You can't really see them. This is why we like racing the slower cars. I would love to drive one for 100 MPH as long as I didn't have to pay for the parts to build one LOL. I'd have to say the Bracket Class is my favorite. Your portable track sounds really cool. You'll have to show us all pictures when it is finished. Neat looking cars Matt. I can't wait to see the finished product.
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Post by allstarhr on May 28, 2007 15:40:26 GMT -7
What voltage do you run the Pro Mod cars at? Was there a particular reason for the track length? The HODRA guys run 21'+ for a scale 1/64 th quarter mile and the USDRA guys run 17.5 feet for a 1/75th scale 1/4 mile. Mine is scaled as a USDRA 1/8th mile because of limited room length. I could have done the 1/4 mile, just the cars would have had to stop in about 12 inches. :-) I don't think it really makes that much difference as long as it's good for competition. The guys in St. Louis that I met last year have different length tracks and seem to be having a great time too. I wanted to build a portable track so I could take it or loan it to car shows, schools, church youth groups, Boy Scout Troops, etc. I'm not into the slot car business and don't want to be, but I do like adding to the group of people who HO drag race. I used to teach high school and I believe kids should have an alternative to video games and tv. They can learn so much from slots. From learning to play fair to mechanical and electrical skills, painting/modeling, to learning how to run an event and promotion. All those skills will help them for the rest of their lives and they will have fun learning from it. Course us old guys do a lot better with hands on stuff than video games.... maybe that's why I keep losing from either red lighting or sleeping. Oh well, still fun.
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Post by SKR on May 28, 2007 16:05:18 GMT -7
Hi Phil, We wanted the longest track we could put in the basement and also have the room for a decent shut down area. We run on two 12 volt batteries for power. Fully charged they stay around 26 volts during a night of racing. We have a multimeter at the starting line to show what the volts are at all times. This helps out in bracket racing to determine where to dial your car in at.
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Post by chima on May 28, 2007 16:15:28 GMT -7
I couldn't agree with you more about the video games. They aren't permitted in our home as I believe they rot the brain. Roxi reads instead. She is now going into 9th grade and I hope she will keep up with her love of books.
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Post by allstarhr on May 29, 2007 19:06:52 GMT -7
We use one of Alan Glanko's 10 amp 0-20 volt adjustable power supplies. When you crank it to the max it puts out a little over 21 volts but I adjust it to 18.0 volts each race night. I have a feeling we might be getting power surges or rather one lane sucking power from the other every once in a while. I'm planning on trying to do something to eliminate it as I think sometimes a breakout happens because the other car doesn't use enough power to equalize the lanes. Also, if you dial in your car during time trails on single car runs you probably can't hit the number during eliminations. I know with 26 volts and hundreds of cranking amps you probably don't have this problem and I'm not totally sure we do, just something to check out before someone want to race for the mortgage! The main reason I lowered the voltage is to be able to see the cars and to make the cars part of the race. When I first found out about HO Drags I talked to Steve Geary and he told me that the faster the cars the more consistent they were. To me that's a disadvantage if your trying to have somewhat even competition. If both cars can run a tight number each time they run in brackets then it's almost always the guy who has the best reaction time that wins. (Just mark me down as the permanent loser here.) If however, we lower the voltage and slow the cars down, then everybody's car will be a little more inconsistent and it puts the car and the thought that goes into it back into the race. Just my two cents. (Yeah, I know, I spend 25 cents worth of time saying it.) Both groups of thought seem to be having fun and that's my goal for our group. We run four classes every race night. A pancake bracket and an in line bracket plus two heads up classes. One for stock hard body Super G+ with only adjustments and the stock hard rubber rear tires that we call Pro Stock and the other being Top Eliminator where almost anything goes. Must look like a drag car and have black tires are the rules. Course it's still not going to fly at 18.0 volts. We don't even need wheelie bars. Makes it easy to get lots of cars ready for a race night. Since we are all such newbies it's what we need now. Maybe two/three years from now we will want or have the time for more skill/power in our races. Time will tell. To keep it from becoming a part-time job for the guys I give stickers to the winners of each class. I'll try to bring some to show you. The guys put them on their pit boxes. We only keep points for the two bracket classes and total both classes together into one larger point class. That way the guys who can't put a lot of time into working on the cars still have a good chance on race night and in the points. I'm trying hard to keep this fun and not high pressure. I used to run some 1:1 tracks and in watching the winners and losers there decided that for maximum fun we need to keep the playing field as level as possible without anyone having an advantage by spending more than the others or working on their car an excessive amount of time. Wow, this got long even for me. Any longer and I would qualify to collect an offering! Just kidding. Have a good evening.
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