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Post by johnbalich on Aug 19, 2009 17:08:25 GMT -7
The JL/AW Cars do have their shortcomings, but they enjoy a couple of BIG advantages. (1) Availibility and (2)Price. Id like to see a AW/JL based class. I was thinking along the lines of wheelie bars, traction magnets, but NO braids. The braids and tire size (to be determined) are the basic differences from the Rat rod chassis. I was even thinking limiting the tires to slip on replacemnets only would make for a simple and inexpensive class, likely to less cost than SuperStock! Remember EARLY Pro Stockers were much closer to Super Stockers of the day than PS is today.
Keep the ideas coming guys, we want to hear them all.
All Stars idea of making the AA/Fuel Altered cars run on skinny tires or hard tires, tho I assume he was pulling our leg, is actually not a bad one, especially if we could video-record the races!
As for wilder set ups, the only real hotter set ups would allow LOWER impedance arms. I think last years Pro Mod was limited to 3.5 ohms lower limit. Arms are available in 2.0 range, 1.0 range and lower!
As SKR mentioned. BB/FC is the Gasser chassis with bigger tires.
All these rules THAT WERE COMPLETE will be up shortly, at least in LAST YEARS form so you can guys can kick us, er I mean Kick IT around. One pressing goal for this year is a 'permanent' rulebook pssoibly in a cool HARD COPY edition for those who like those kind of things..
We hope to see NO change for Gasser/BB/FC, and NO change for SS for all future races. A stable set of rules keeps costs down and allows a car to 'evolve' (get faster) over a few races.
The BOARD hasn't had these issues on front burner for a while, but we will be conversing and watching your guys' posts as well, and coming up with solutions that hoperfully you guys will be eager to try ASAP.
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Post by da big ragu on Aug 19, 2009 17:14:21 GMT -7
 john i think that was well put hard copy of rules now that is a idea!!!!! .. i like !!!!!
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Post by allstarhr on Aug 19, 2009 17:18:30 GMT -7
I always pull legs but this time I was somewhat serious too. I think it would be a neat race and especially for the drivers. While it's manditory that those that run the race and NTRA to make sure all is run fairly and keep that part serious; it would become a bore at some time if we end up taking our racing of toy cars too serious... Maybe run the the altered class last and vasoline the track first. (Jus kiddin! ... I think.)
The suggestion: Fuel Altered on JL's at max volts for the track and NTRA supplied hard rubber rear tires. Mandatory on-off switch controllers. The best car probably wouldn't win but it shure would be fun to watch! All driver's would be seated and required to put one hand on the arm of their chair aka Wild Willie. Fun!
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Post by Demon340 on Aug 19, 2009 18:07:31 GMT -7
OK here we go I think MM/PS would be a good class for our next
race, They are not that hard to build with the Info here and SAM
has some body's and I think some others do too. They put on a
good race this year. I also like BB/FC with the Gasser chassis
because most of us got body's ready. An Altered body would
be ok too with the Gasser chassis. We had alot of new guys in this Gasser race and I think it would be good to use it again
to let them learn more how to tune them. I think they are the
best NTRA chassis for close racing. But you guys got to make the
test and tune to learn the set up. Yeah I know I didn't send cars
to the Gasser test and tune and I was off on the set up in three
of our cars a little my boo boo. I hate to see the Altered class
use a Pro Mod chassis cost to much and don't put on that good
of a show. I like to see close racing it keeps me on the edge of the chair. I don't like pedal races thats just a control crash. If
the guys want to see cars get crazy run the pro mod class again. well thats what I think lets hear what others think. I just want to
race and have fun.
DEMON
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Aug 19, 2009 18:10:34 GMT -7
mod. of allstars suggestion, AW/JL chassis, wheelie bars,slip on rubber tires say T-jet hot rod 4 dimple, parma type or on-off, no electronic,want the driver to be able to pedal (sort of)but not dial in a launch.
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Post by Demon340 on Aug 20, 2009 3:51:26 GMT -7
I'll say use the Gasser chassis in Altered to help keep the cost down and the racing good.
DEMON
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Post by rickvoegelin on Aug 20, 2009 7:58:47 GMT -7
I like the idea of "recycling" the Gasser class for the next NTRA event, either as BB/FC or Altered. Keep the chassis rules the same, and just change the bodies.
For the second class, I'm stoked about the Nostalgia Pro Stock concept. In my mind, it should be "a little more" than Super Stock. For starters, I'd suggest S/S rules, with amendments to allow any Aurora/JL/AW T-jet chassis with 14-ohm minimum arm (to allow JL/AW armatures if someone wants to run 'em), any Aurora/JL/AW motor magnets, slip-on silicones, any drive pinion/crown gear ratio, and wheelie bars -- but no braids, shunts, or traction magnets <g>. Run 'em at relatively low voltage to keep them manageable.
For bodies, I'd suggest 68-72 models that raced in Pro Stock, with hood scoops, internal lightening permitted and wheel wells opened up to accommodate maximum tire size (wherever that ends up). The alternative would be to specify rear tires so small that they'd fit under Camaros, Mustangs, etc., without hacking the rear fenders -- but I doubtful that the cars would work with such tiny tires.
I think this group would come up with some pretty realistic and quick cars under this format. And I'd certainly like to see these cars racing on Sam's track!
My $.02,
Rick V.
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Post by SKR on Aug 20, 2009 8:23:11 GMT -7
Thanks for the feedback guys. This is what I would like to see for our race NP/S Rules to be determined by all of you.  Altered Use Gasser chassis this time to make it affordable. Take a look at the Altered class rules in 2010 and either keep it the same or make a new set of rules for this class. MM/PS Current ISRA rules. I would also like to do something a little different for this race for determining the Fall champion. I would like to run for points in all three classes to determine the overall winner. Now I know guys like Dave (using you as a example Dave ) might not want to build a MM/PS so I would like to take the best two out of three class points. So to be eligible you need to atleast enter two classes. This really should shake things up for determining the overall winner. Also I would like to only allow one entry per class per person. This is all open for discussion and I really would like to know what you guys would like to see. This is your event on our track. I'll see if I can lock down a date for this race this weekend. Oh and Vaseline will not be up for discussion Phil ;D |
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Aug 20, 2009 13:05:27 GMT -7
I like Rick's post, Gasser chassis for Altered, slight mods to SS chassis for N/PS I'm now amongst the numorus unemployed,an anything I can do ,with what I got, is good!! I can see where one entry per class is called for, just keeping track which car in which event at what time will be work load enough. You almost have to take best two out of three I'm sure a new racer will not be able to enter all three,an maybe only one event. going to set back an read the others input.
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Post by derwood16 on Aug 20, 2009 14:38:49 GMT -7
Thanks for the feedback guys. This is what I would like to see for our race NP/S Rules to be determined by all of you. Altered Use Gasser chassis this time to make it affordable. Take a look at the Altered class rules in 2010 and either keep it the same or make a new set of rules for this class. MM/PS Current ISRA rules. I would also like to do something a little different for this race for determining the Fall champion. I would like to run for points in all three classes to determine the overall winner. Now I know guys like Dave (using you as a example Dave ) might not want to build a MM/PS so I would like to take the best two out of three class points. So to be eligible you need to atleast enter two classes. This really should shake things up for determining the overall winner. Also I would like to only allow one entry per class per person. This is all open for discussion and I really would like to know what you guys would like to see. This is your event on our track. I'll see if I can lock down a date for this race this weekend. Oh and Vaseline will not be up for discussion Phil ;D This sounds great but what would the entry fee be? $7. per class that would be $21 bucks. I think we would have to come up with something to fit the racing budget. Being the hit man for the mafia doesn’t pay that well. |
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Post by swamper on Aug 20, 2009 14:45:58 GMT -7
What about running the ss cars with wheelie bars at 16 volts and call them NPS  And take the gasser cars and run them at 18 volts and call them econo gassers. (Sponsored by TACO BELL) ;D Swamper |
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Post by SKR on Aug 20, 2009 15:08:39 GMT -7
Out of work Hitman! Looks like the economy is affecting all of us. $7 per class would be overkill. I'll come up with a entry/return amount that will be economical. I don't want to lose any money myself, otherwise I might be having a meeting with The Dodge Father to front me some cash.  |
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Post by kdog on Aug 20, 2009 15:23:37 GMT -7
I would like to address this issue of the cost of sending a car to an event. If you sent 2 cars you spent $8. Did anyone look at the postage on the return box. Some of them got to $12 with test blocks and prizes, Granted a single car with Test block was around $5 with delivery Confirmation and Insurance. That being said the host of one of these races workers his a$$ off anyway he should not take a hit at the Post Office.
$8 for 2 cars x 2 for T & T = $16.....x 3 races per year = $48 for a year, has anyone went to 1 ball game lately, or played 1 round of Golf, or heck took the family to a movie. I kept a tabs on the few that sent extra for refreshments for the volunteers, and we ended up with a negative, $10 bucks, and 4 guys gave up a Saturday, with gas, I figure $6 each, than my trips to the PO another $6. Than after all that, 1 racer wanted me to send a car to someone else(witch I was happy to do) another $5. So personally I am $45 bucks in the red. Don't get me wrong I an overjoyed to give back to the hobby I love and will do it once more in a heart beat. I just feel everyone should know we aren't lining our pockets with surplus cash. The price for this chance to run with the national crowd of GOOD HO RACERS and BUILDERS is worth 10 times that.
Got to get rid of the Soap Box now the DOG is tripping on it
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Post by rickvoegelin on Aug 20, 2009 16:01:02 GMT -7
Swamper,
That is a freakin' brilliant suggestion! Nobody has to build new chassis, but we'd have classes with a fresh look and a new setup to figure out. We had 44 cars qualify for the S/S race at WDWAHO, and every one of them is a candidate for Nostalgia Pro Stock. I'd also be a lot more interested in building a MM/PS and taking a shot at Sam's Mr. Top Eliminator if I could recycle the pancake chassis I've already got.
My suggestions would be to allow us to lighten ("acid dip" <g>) the bodies for N/PS and open up the rear wheel wells for tire clearance (after all, even vintage Pro cars had stretched wheel wells) to get the stance right.
I'd also suggest that instead of Econo Gas, we make it Econo Altered. Back in the day, NHRA created an Econo Altered class (inspired, I might mention, by my alma mater at Car Craft) with single four-barrels and automatic transmissions. John Lingenfelter, Larry Tores and Dennis Ferrara, among others, built killer Econo Altereds -- so in that spirit, we could open up the body rule to allow late-model bodies along with the vintage roadsters and coupes in Econo Altered.
Swamper, I'm nominating you to take over the Treasury Department. No, wait, you've got way too much common sense . . .
Cheers,
Rick V.
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Post by derwood16 on Aug 20, 2009 16:01:59 GMT -7
Easy Dog,
I do agree that we need to get the money thing worked out so that the host of the race doesn’t loose his (dog bones) but with a race like this where there is three classes and you will be limited to one per class. I think $7 per class is to high. Maybe something like if you are only going to run 1 class then it is $7 bucks if you run 2 classes it is $ 10. And if you run all three it is $12 as for the future races maybe we should start looking at what it does cost to put on a great race and make what ever changes need to be made so we can have lots of fun.
The Hit man
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And take the gasser cars and run them at 18 volts and call them econo gassers. (Sponsored by TACO BELL) ;D
