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Post by kdog on Aug 20, 2009 17:17:51 GMT -7
OK I have been deluged with folks that looked at the postage on their packages, and want to send money. NOT necessary !
Just want to make the point that the Race Directors talk a BUNCH about this issue, and always try to give you guys the most Bang for the buck we can with these races.
Thanks anyway guys, I am lucky to have a good job in these hard times....and make plenty of Hobby cash with my eBay stuff, but your PM's make me realize why I do this...THANKS
DOG
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Post by SKR on Aug 21, 2009 8:30:24 GMT -7
Some good suggestions have been made for the NP/S class. One thing we need to keep in mind is that I don't have a adjustable power supply. We are running on two 12 Volt batteries so it's either 13 volts or 26 for the classes. MM/PS AND Altered will definitely be ran on 26 Volts.
Swampers idea is not a bad one. There are plenty of S/S chassis floating around our group so this would be a cheap route to go with. On the other hand if a guy wanted to start racing with us he would have to buy a T jet chassis, body, Wheels & Tires etc. to compete. This could easily cost $25 to $35 depending on what body they went with. Also if we went with 26 Volts we would have to add magnets to the existing S/S chassis cars.
Now if we were to run something like Auto World and J/L cars, A guy could compete for less than $15 if they bought one of the Vega, Camaro, Nova bodied RTR's.
Another option is too allow either chassis with a minimum ohm rating on the armature.
Altered I think we are pretty much set on the Altered class rules with the exception of the body rules.
Shipping Three classes $10. Two classes $9 and $8 for one class. Does this sound fair?
Each class will have a overall champ. The points battle for the three classes is just to determine the overall best effort for the weekend.
I'm fine with Rick's suggestions on opening the rear wheel wells a little to accommodate bigger tires in this class. How about a weight limit? That way a guy could lighten the body if he wants but must meet the required weight restrictions?
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Post by nitro on Aug 21, 2009 9:33:17 GMT -7
How a race with AFX magna-traction chassis.you guys ran t-jets stuff.Havn`t herd anything about racing magna-tractions they run petty fast too.Just use magna-traction not AW chassis
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Post by Demon340 on Aug 21, 2009 15:58:25 GMT -7
OK FIRST lets keep the volts 13 on Super Stock and 26 on all the
other classes. The big reason alot of us guys don't have tracks
to test on and the guys that do will have a advantage most of
the time. I know I won't miss any more test and tune's. I do my
testing with a Dyno I builded and that helps me find power but It
needs to go down track to see that the set up for going down
track is good.
I say for N/PS lets use the rat rod chassis we take one of our
Gasser chassis change the arm and rear tire's maybe the
magnets and down force then we have time to do the body.
I do like a weight rule for the class.
SAM $10 sounds more then fair. ;D
SAM you better start on some Altered body's or for the first race
let Gassers and funny cars in to keep the car count up.
I saw we had some new racers for the Gasser race and hope
we get some more. So guys if you need tips just ask and there
is alot of Info on this site.
LETS RACE AND HAVE FUN
DEMON
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Post by Demon340 on Aug 21, 2009 16:11:53 GMT -7
OK THAT WAS MY TWO CENTS TILL I GOT TAXED THEN IT COST ME TEN CENTS NOW THATS NOT FAIR.  DEMON |
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Post by 440gtx on Aug 21, 2009 23:31:52 GMT -7
i agree, stay with the rat rod chassis for N/PS. slip on tires and everything. keep the braids, shunts and magnets. i also think the rules should say that you have to run wheels that actually look like real wheels. The cars should actually look like cars from that era. I also would like to see the bodies limited from 68-72. There's plenty of bodies to choose from and I'm sure that some awesome looking bodies will be built.
As far as the other classes, I'm up for whatever. The N/PS is what I am most interested in.
why is it "a penny for your thoughts" but you "put your two cents in"?
440
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Post by Demon340 on Aug 22, 2009 3:48:37 GMT -7
i agree, stay with the rat rod chassis for N/PS. slip on tires and everything. keep the braids, shunts and magnets. i also think the rules should say that you have to run wheels that actually look like real wheels. The cars should actually look like cars from that era. I also would like to see the bodies limited from 68-72. There's plenty of bodies to choose from and I'm sure that some awesome looking bodies will be built. As far as the other classes, I'm up for whatever. The N/PS is what I am most interested in. why is it "a penny for your thoughts" but you "put your two cents in"? 440 What I mean about magnets is if we need to change them to work with our setup's. Some of our cars will like a weaker magnets do to the arm we run. Tracks will make a difference too so you really need to make the test and tune to see how your car setup works on that track that we are racing on. The same thing goes for our traction magnets. Hey a penny just doesn't go very far now.  DEMON |
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Post by SKR on Aug 22, 2009 3:57:13 GMT -7
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Post by SKR on Aug 22, 2009 4:11:25 GMT -7
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Aug 22, 2009 5:49:56 GMT -7
I think 68-79 models will work , the more options on body styles,the most likely the new racer already has one in their collection.
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Post by SKR on Aug 22, 2009 6:17:31 GMT -7
What do you guys think about this for race dates. Nov. 14th Test and Tune Dec. 11th - 13th Race Weekend or Dec. 12th Test and Tune Jan. 15th - 17th Race weekend I know Jan. 15th is a ways off but this would allow plenty of time for guys to build cars that might not be into the hobby right now because of Summer activities. Also if we go with the later date I would be willing to hold a LIVE Gasser event in October ( Ghoulish Gasser Throwdown 2009, man I need to stop talking to Demon  ) kind of like we did last year in August (Gasser Reunion). This would also allow some extra Test and Tune time for the chassis being used in the Altered class. Another reason behind the later date is that it's going to take some of the regular racers some time to prepare new bodies. I see a couple of different ideas forming for NP/S. I could go for either one but we need to come to a general consensus on a set of rules. If you feel strongly about a set of rules you see or want to add something or even come up with another set then please get to posting up your thoughts. If we can't come up with a set that we all agree on then I'll make the final call. Not what I want to do but I also don't want to be talking about rules come October. When myself, John, Chris Kdog and Allstar come up with rules we usually talk about one thing at a time until we all can all agree on that component then move on to the next. Sometimes seem like a grueling process but it's worked out pretty good, at least until the anonymous phone call threats start. I know that was you Phil  |
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Post by derwood16 on Aug 22, 2009 6:41:41 GMT -7
I would like to see the rules for N/PS class state that you can run both tjet or JL chassis and maybe 14omh for the arms and 68-79 for the bodies and leave every thing else the same as ratt rod. I mostly have t-jets and only one or two JL. I dont want to have to start buying a bunch of JL chassis just to be able to run in a class, and I so want to run. I, I need to run, it is like a beer you can never stop with just one.
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Post by rickvoegelin on Aug 22, 2009 6:44:55 GMT -7
I'll be happy to run under whatever rules you guys agree on!
If voltage is an issue for Sam's race, I'd be willing to send an adjustable power supply -- I've got a TrackMate 0-30 volt/10-amp supply that you are welcome to use. It's got more than enough juice for Altereds and NPS. I really think that Swamper's idea of running existing cars/chassis at different voltages has a lot of merit.
My thought on the NPS bodies is that if we allow lightening, that makes it feasible to use those great resin bodies from the Mead Brothers and others casters to compete with the lightweight styrene bodies. It also makes sense to open up the years to 68-79, since that will bring in Mustang IIs, slant-nose Vegas and Camaros, etc. Lots of great cars from that era before the Pro Stocks turned into jelly beans.
On the NPS chassis, I'm still pushing for Aurora T-jets as an option. JL's make sense for a down-and-dirty Rat Rod class, but I really think we need the option of a better quality chassis for Pro Stock. Back in the day, a 1:1 Pro Stock racer could choose a chassis from SRD, Don Hardy, Don Ness, or Willie Rells, so please allow us a similar range of choices <g>.
My $.03 (accounting for inflation).
Thanks,
Rick V.
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Post by dave hochallanged evans on Aug 22, 2009 6:52:25 GMT -7
For NP/S , I'm for Super Stock Chassis add wheelie bars and shunt wire only , Altered- Gasser Chassis. The later dates are fine but postal traffic during the holidays may cause problems.
a question,and I hope it doesn't get to far away from the topic, would the AW Excellerator chassis and cars be allowed to be used in Gasser class ? the only things I see different are the brush system and 1/64th scale.
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Post by SKR on Aug 22, 2009 7:06:31 GMT -7
Good point Dave. We will have to remind each other about delivery times when we get closer to race time.
Rick, Thanks for the offer on the power supply but no need to send. One thing that I like about these Proxy races is that the guys have to adapt to the hosting track's conditions. If NP/S is ran on lower voltage I can run on one battery. This will give us around 13.5 to 13.8 Volts with one charger hooked up.
Since we are only discussing NP/S rules I think that original Tjet, Tuff ones, Auto World and J/L chassis should be legal. I would request that Styrene and Lexan bodies stay out of this class. They just don't have the look of resin or factory plastic.
Making progress:
N/PS 1968-1979 Bodies
Chassis: Original Aurora, Auto World, Johnny Lightning
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) kind of like we did last year in August (Gasser Reunion). This would also allow some extra Test and Tune time for the chassis being used in the Altered class. Another reason behind the later date is that it's going to take some of the regular racers some time to prepare new bodies.
