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Post by tazman052186 on Sept 25, 2012 17:34:45 GMT -7
Would this drop the test and tune before the race? Just send the car in and as the day goes on the race masters would to the tuning for us before and after each class and also write how what what was done?
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Post by dragfool on Sept 25, 2012 18:35:10 GMT -7
I would be very interested in being part of a proxy Bracket Race. Changing the dial-in was the way our 1/24 Bracket races were ran. The Bracket races that are held at Desert Run Raceway (local races) are ran the same way. Each driver is given the opportunity to change their dial-in at the time of staging their car. My only concern is limiting the race to in-line chassis only, bracket racing is usual run what you brung. The idea of the 5% breakout factor after at least 2 qualifying runs is a possibility. Another possible option would run qualifying on Saturday and give each driver the chance to select their breakout factor and post it on Nitro Slots for the Sunday Finals. That's my 2 cents worth
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Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 25, 2012 20:48:44 GMT -7
There will be no test n tune for bracket race. As a racemasters I will not do anymore for this race than any other race. Tazman as as a racer you need to just send the best car you can build.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 26, 2012 4:36:00 GMT -7
Dragfool I like that idea. How about this we quailify everyone on Sat. and the racers have until 8AM Sunday to decide to start the race to tell us what percent of dial in they select. This gives the racer the opition to select a tighter dial in if they wish. If we do not here from the racer via PM then 5% auto dial in will be used. No dial in greater than 5% will be used. You may only dial in less. That means 4,3,2,1 percent of dial in may be used but nothing over 5%.
Here are some examples of a dial in of a car that has run these times.
Left Lane (.850, .890, .857) Right Lane (.865, .861, .862 )
The racer can look at there times and select percent of dial in. For
example in the Left Lane he could avg. times and select percent or throw out the .890 and base avg on two best times. Same in the Right Lane althought the times are more consistant to avg all three would be better.
So let's look at the times and percent of time.(rounded up)
Left Lane avg is .854 throughout .890 and Right Lane avg .863
5% auto dial in LL is .811 RL auto dial in is .820
4% LL .820 RL .825
3% LL .828 RL .837
2% LL .837 RL .846
1% LL .846 RL .854
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Post by TGM2054 on Sept 26, 2012 7:34:42 GMT -7
That's a little different than I had pictured it.I can see letting a person pick their dial in, but why pick their percentage and why have a different dial for each lane?
Here's an idea, use a set number for the auto dial, say it be 2,5 what ever percent.
Qualifying:
Line the cars up,have each one make a pass down lane one. After each one has made that pass, line them up again and go down lane two, immediately after the car finishes it's pass on lane 2 it goes back to lane to lane 1 to run again, and then back to lane 2 for a final qualifying pass. This would give the car owner an idea of how the car is going to perform both hot and cold.
The car owner can then pick a dial in for their car, you can pick quicker but not slower than their slowest pass. If a person doesn't post their dial in, their runs would be averaged out and that would be their dial in.
The other thing to consider is that what ever number is picked for variance on the dial in,whether it be 2% or 5%,a slower car is going to have a greater variance.
Using a 2% auto dial, a car that runs a .850 is going to have .017.
a car that runs a .550 is going to have a .011. Not a big difference, but something that might want to be considered.
Just some ideas to think about.
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Post by dragfool on Sept 26, 2012 12:44:04 GMT -7
Good point TGM2054 on the variance of dial-in percentage on slower cars that is why the car owner would decide on the dial-in variance of 1 to 5 percent. The reason to allow different dial-ins per lane is, I have never found a track that both lanes are equal or a car runs exactly the same in each lane.
I like the idea of the back to back qualifying so the car owners can see how there cars run cold or warmed up. Looks like this might be shaping up to a possible race for 2013. let me know if any help is needed in getting this off the ground.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 27, 2012 6:32:12 GMT -7
Dragfool that is exactly why I posted percent and times in each lane. This gives the racer the input they need to be more connected to the race. The idea of auto dial in is because some of our racers may have to work, be out of town etc. and cann't stay on top of the race. All you guys keep the ideas coming and thanks everyone for your input ;D
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Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 29, 2012 5:44:33 GMT -7
Well it looks like at least 6 for sure racers. I know there is more. What do you think about allowing 2 cars per racer instead of 1? My thinking on this is if you can take 1st and 2nd in a bracket race you are a very lucky racer. I think the chance of that is mmmm.......... not good ;D
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Post by tazman052186 on Sept 29, 2012 20:07:02 GMT -7
I only have the funds to build one inline that goes by the build on here. Also dont want to take apart another turbo chassis.
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Post by TGM2054 on Sept 30, 2012 4:44:48 GMT -7
Taz the nice thing about bracket racing is that a plain stock chassis'd car has as good of a chance as one that has been tricked out to the max. Being able to run the close to the same time each run is the key.
A good set of slip on's and some fine tuning and you'd be good to go. Wouldn't matter whether it's a Life Like, AFX, Tyco, or a Super 3, just as long as it's an inline.
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Post by tazman052186 on Sept 30, 2012 5:39:52 GMT -7
Thats good news for my eyes to read. Looks like I will have two cars after all.
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Post by dragfool on Sept 30, 2012 10:19:08 GMT -7
I like the idea of 2 cars per Owner.
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Post by dragfool on Sept 30, 2012 10:21:12 GMT -7
All entries must be inline, is this up for negotiation?
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Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 30, 2012 14:09:42 GMT -7
It's all about inlines for now ;D. If we as racers can make this work then, I have been kicking around another idea. I like what Lion's did with Mfg Championship with N/FC 4gears last year. How about inlines vs Tjets vs 4gears only bracket racing  Gotta make the inline race work first. |
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Post by nosubfor3 on Oct 1, 2012 5:22:45 GMT -7
I'm for this bracket raceing thing. I have a couple MM/PS chassis set up also.
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Gotta make the inline race work first.