Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 22, 2012 8:17:20 GMT -7
As one of your NTRA Racemasters I would like to run a backet race in 2013. Below is the proposed format. Please look it over and lets talk about it.Rules:
1. Must have black tires front and rear. 2. Any HO inline chassis. 3. Body, Must be hard body only (plastic or resin) street or drag style only, Motorcycles ok. 4.Weight limit none. 5. Motor rules, there ain't none. 6. Double eliminations. 7. Only two entries per person. 8. Dial in is automatic with 5% less on qualified time for each lane. If you do not submitt dial in after times are posted. 9. Voltage 22V
(THE PROS AND CONS IS TO GET THE DISCUSSION GOING)
Pro's for bracket race.
1. This is the best reason to run this type race. The best prepared car has no better chance to win this race than the worst prepared car.
Negatives for bracket race.
1. It takes the builder out. It is all about the driver.
Drag racing is always got the good light bad light equation in it. I have watched my race partners progress with slower cars than mine in NTRA racing. No big deal that's drag racing. As a builder you still can build your best car.
It doesn't get any easier than this for building a race car.
I wouldn't say it takes the builder out of the question, the car has to be consistent. In 1:1 bracket racing I can adjust my dial in according to air temp, track conditions, and engine temp. With these there wouldn't be any adjusting the dial ins. But then again there aren't the variables involved except for maybe the motor developing a little heat in it. I'd be willing to give it a try. Gives me something to do with my MM/PS thats sitting here.
Post by bondoman2k on Sept 23, 2012 21:20:26 GMT -7
Guess I shoulda kept the MMPS Camaro I sold a while back. But it's ok, I only got 15 (or more? Haven't counted them..lol) inline chassis here to work with. ;D And guess I need to break out my old molds for MMPS Camaros I made a while back. Haven't done much with those since I made them since 4 gears have been the ticket. But..I like the idea! Ron (Bondo)
Drag Racing...Because if you can turn, you're not going fast enough!
Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 24, 2012 4:48:03 GMT -7
Thanks Ron hope you are feeling better. I believe that an inline bracket race is a good way to bring in some new racers. The 1/24th scale racers that have seen there tracks go away should do well at this (building cars). The experienced TJet racers should look at this as away to get more racers running the other classes. That is why they should race too. The bottom line is to grow the NTRA
I could go for any inline class, be it heads up MMPS or bracket based. I've just finished one MMPS per NTRA specs and am thinking about starting another. Fairly easy to build, two gears instead of the 5-6 on pancakes, and fast.
The idea of posting the announcement of Bracket Racing for 2013 was to generate some dialog and dial-in any changes that may be needed or some considerations that may have been overlooked. NTRA would like to hear your opinions on the matter or questions if you have any. It is my opinion that from past discussions that there is enough interest in this type of drag racing that it warrants an effort to give it a try. Eagleracing has come up with what he feels is a simplified method to run a proxy bracket race. In other races we take on the role as builder/ racers. For this race we would be more like owner/ builders. Here we build however you like, either right out of the box or going all out with upgrades. Of course for this type racing consistancy will be helpful but certainly not the determining factor to take the overall win. Not sure where you stand with this? Check out some past discussions:
Look them over and chime in with your thoughts. Let NTRA know if you are willing to give it a try. As for my opinion, if we are to judge by this thread as to how many anticipate on entering a race of this type, I would favor allowing two cars per racer if entries are 12 or less. Anything above twelve and we are back to one entry per person (in hopes that we can at least fill a 16 entry ladder).
I'm not sure how I feel about the 10 percent. If this were T-Jets, my builds consistently get slower every run. Have had it go both ways with inline builds. I don't know if it is possible for anyone to break-out at 10 percent. If I am understanding this correctly, a car that qualifies at 1.000 will be given the automatic dial-in of .900. I would feel better with 5 percent being the constant, meaning a 1.000 will have the automatic dial-in of .950. At 5 percent there is a rare chance that a car may break-out which is a part of bracket racing. Or even have options of choosing the automatic preset or sumbitting your own percentage with the car (kind of would give the owner the feel of being part of the dail-in process). Well, that's just one of my two cents. My final word, I like drag racing, I will try it as it stands.
Post by Eagle Racing on Sept 25, 2012 13:14:44 GMT -7
Thank you eddiebee, ninjatek thanks for good input as usall. The rules are not set in stone they are a guide line. I happen to agree on going from 10% to 5% on dial in. MMMM....... not sure what I was thinking of when I put that down. I would like some input from some of our 1 to 1 drag racers on dial in. Are you allowed under NHRA rules to change your dial in from race to race?
. . . Are you allowed under NHRA rules to change your dial in from race to race?
The 1:1 racers can answer this better, but I believe you can change dial-in from round to round. As conditions (weather, engine temp, spill on track, etc.) change, these things may have an affect on the cars performance. Also, allows drivers to play head games with each other possibly forcing a red light or taking a light too late. As much fun as it sounds, I don't think it would be possible with proxy racing unless we turn over the decision making to the drivers. Maybe the percentage can be applied to the ET after every run to get a new dial-in. Just a thought. Downfall is Racemaster will spend as much time using calculator as conducting races.
Last Edit: Sept 25, 2012 14:57:54 GMT -7 by ninjatek
Post by tazman052186 on Sept 25, 2012 15:00:43 GMT -7
My questions would be what inline chassis would we use? Would we be doing a stock class, the MM/SP, Auotworld super lll class? I have the parts to make a MM/SP just not the stunt wire (magnets I think also). Also how would you dial in an inline? Would extra parts have to be sent in with the car?
To answer the question about the dial in being changed from round to round, I've always been able to change it between rounds. Track conditions, air temp,engine temp, etc. pretty much dictate that I have to with my car. A 10 percent breakout factor might be a little much, but it would make it easy to figure. Taz, being as it is bracket racing I would think you could use any in line chassis. This isn't about who has the quickest car but the one that runs the most consistant time run after run.