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Post by pceng on Jan 16, 2013 17:19:26 GMT -7
Hey guys, Since seeing all the different inovative things that were done with 4g's in the recent event. The gears are grinding again, been looking at different in-lines. Thinking a can motor would be the easiest. Not sure which I'll use, was thinking Life-Like would be the easiest to adapt because of it being narrow vs. the wider shorter type can. Then came the thought, can I find an eight tooth pinion ? Think I tried once before and the arm shaft on the LL is just to small in dia. 22t crown has been installed in two chassis (one will be faster than the other ). One with tip on backside of crown removed. The other with the tip left on and the chassis drilled to accept. Figure some kind of gear -boss might be needed.
The thing I found most intresting about last race was the one that went backwards. Now I know some one out there thinks like me.
Tom, buddy, what did you do ? Did you go the bulkhead route or use a can motor ?
tia ......... Peter
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Post by JW on Jan 16, 2013 19:18:11 GMT -7
Check out what I did to a LL can in the "chop shop" section of this board under "more fun with TF".
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Post by TGM2054 on Jan 16, 2013 21:50:06 GMT -7
Peter, I could tell ya , but then I'd have to kill ya.  Ya had to bring it up, I was hoping it just kinda slipped by everybody.  It's a can motor. Too bad I got the PU shoes mixed up when I put them on, ( the leads from the motor are soldered to them), would have been neat to see if it even would have worked. It's never been down the track. I'll get it back here and get my track out of storage and see if it'll even go down the track. In theory it should work,,,,,,but then again we've all had those theorys before. |
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Post by pceng on Jan 17, 2013 9:10:50 GMT -7
Hey Tom, sorry bud should have sent PM ...... lol. Gonna go LL, even with the 7T pinion can all ways go to smaller crown. Been playin around with rare earths in different positions on cans (drilled cans so dot sits right on motor magnet). Only thing I know for sure is two magnets added to each side was too much, arm would not turn. One per side works good. Have one un-used can, might go that way. Figure this is gonna need some launch testing to figure out which way to go.
JW, going to look for that, not too good at finding old things here ....... thanks Peter
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Post by AJR on Jan 17, 2013 12:57:47 GMT -7
Hey guys......the excitement over the FED class is cool..........but.........when we decided to run this, it was intended to see how fast we could make a 4 gear run with the pancake motor. TGM's approach was interesting and we were going to run it because of that reason. I know there are no "formal" rules, but I copied the basic rules that were posted. The rules for the Texas Outlaw Unlimited are as follows: 1. Sling Shot Dragster Body plastic or resin (front engine exposed) 2. 4Gear Chassis 3. Tires Must Be Black 4. Motors, Magnets, etc. as long as it fits in a 4Gear chassis it's up to you. 5. 26 Volts on the track for this race. Read more: nitroslots.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2912&page=1#ixzz2IGOFg8WxEven with these rules as printed the can motor could still be considered "legal", but like I said, the idea was to see how fast we could make the 4 gear go in it's pancake motor form. Motors, magnets, etc. was referring to the motor ohm and magnet type (poly, neo, ceramic). This class actually started as a match race between Eagleracing and myself and evolved into an exhibition type class and could even become another regular class. I am running the FED's again as a 3rd class at the upcoming Spring Nationals. May need to clarify the rules further. FYI.............thanks. Obviously this only applies if you were planning on entering one in the race. Thanks. Jeff |
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Post by pceng on Jan 17, 2013 17:41:04 GMT -7
Sorry Tom, should have known by now....
Hey Jeff, The phrase "Texas Outlaw" I believe started with Ron (bondoman2k) and Sam (SKR) and if I remember corectly was to be a 4ohm min. Could be wrong about that, but that's why I put a 4ohm'er in last years T/F and sent that. Then I started seeing different things people were doing. Then started thinking about other possibilities.
If the FED's become a regular class in the NTRA. I'm sure rules will cover all such things. But if the FED's do become a regular class I doubt we will see such things as Rob's, top plate. Or Sam's, magnet arrangment. Like I saw Sam, post. I thought it a good idea to have a class that would highlight inovative ideas. I don't think we will see these things again if the FED's become a regular class. I can't think of any class that allows top plate modifications (may be minor ones). And the very beginning of the rules this year state - only two motor magnets and something about intended position (I think).
Feel kind of responsible for the magnet thing, yea shims too. Really have mixed feelings about the FED's becoming a "regular". Was impressed with the ideas displayed concernings gears and magnets. Right now I believe this is the only .......... er..... class that allow's these or other ideas to be displayed. Don't want to see that go away ! But as far as your race goes, "YOU DA MAN".
Please just let us slo-pokes with no free time know what the rules are asap. I know, I need every second I have If something new is involved.
........... thanks for the update.......... Peter
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Post by TGM2054 on Jan 17, 2013 20:31:52 GMT -7
Texas Outlaw Unlimited - N/FT (Nostalgia Top Fuel); 4 Gear chassis; no chassis build restrictions. That's the rule straight from the race announcement. It doesn't say anything about having to use a pancake motor. I think I followed it pretty close. Stock chassis, stock axle, stock pick up shoes and springs, stock rear wheels, even the clip that held the motor in was a factory piece,unmodified. The rear gear was the same tooth count as stock, just modified to clear everything. Hey, at least I didn't strap a Estes rocket engine to it! ( HMMMMM, that's an idea!)  By the time you gather up all the stuff needed to be competitive in this class, with a pancake motor, you going to have $75- 100 in a car. Not everybody can wind their own arms or make their own tires, or make their own mag set up ( Sam, that is the coolest thing I've seen ). But then again this isn't a class for everybody. There's a lot of creativity in the bodies alone. Eagle , Hairy Canary and Bondo all have bodies, plus the ones that were converted from T/F cars like Peter's and Ninja's. Personally I'd rather see the FED cars slowed up,more restrictions on a "standard" four gear set up. Let the modern top fuel or funny cars be the rockets, or unlimited pancake motored cars. If I'm going to spend $75 to $100 on a car, going to be on the real thing sitting in my garage.  Sorry about the rant, I should probably go take some of my medicine....... Somebody hand me that beer, would ya? |
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Post by AJR on Jan 17, 2013 21:00:05 GMT -7
Peter....you are right. I believe they did come up with the original Texas Outlaw "class". That was discussed when we ran our version at the Summer Nationals as a match race. It evolved from that into what we are running now. I also enjoy seeing all the innovative ideas. You guys continue with your canned motor builds and feel free to enter them in the race. Like I said...it wasn't what we had in mind, but it is interesting. Really wanted to see TGM's car run so........show us what you've got. See you at the race.
Jeff
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Post by AJR on Jan 17, 2013 21:31:31 GMT -7
TGM....like I just said to Peter. Go ahead and continue your build. I will allow your cars to run. Yes...technically you did follow the "rules". As I pointed out earlier....according to the posted rules, your setup is legal. For the record.....I operate on a low budget and I also cannot afford to spend that kind of money on a car. I actually had 2 chassis and 3 gear plates to use for my FED. Stripped 2 of the gear plate clusters in testing. Couldn't make any mistakes or my build was shot. Purchased my magnets, motor, and tires. The rest I threw together with the few spare parts I have on hand. Cost me $30. All the other established 4 gear classes have their limitations. This was going to be the unlimited 4 gear class...if only for exhibition. Not sure why you would want to see this slowed down. Don't now if this will ever become a class.....don't really care if it does. There was a lot of interest when this was brought up and we ran with it. Thought it would be fun to run it back to back. Sorry for MY rant........I just need to go to bed.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Jan 17, 2013 21:32:55 GMT -7
Estes rocket,  go ahead I can out run that to. We did that back when I raced 1/24th drag cars not as fast as you think. The unlimited cobalts are way faster. Was pretty darn cool, owners had to open the shop up, this was a retail location in Garland, Texas. It looked like we were in the middle of a fog bank inside the store ;D Looking forward to the racing what ever is dreamed up. |
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Post by pceng on Jan 30, 2013 11:40:09 GMT -7
Hey guys,
Starting to get close and not much talk about what might be happening in the FED garages. What is everyone up to? Saw a few entries on list, hope there will be more. Is everyone refining previous theories, or coming up with new ideas?
New chassis with LL can finally made first pass, got a little faster warming-up. Runs about the same as LL T. Not real impressive but have time to refine some before race. Maybe smaller crown.
........... PC
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Post by TGM2054 on Jan 30, 2013 19:11:58 GMT -7
Not much going on here, other than SNOW!  Got the car back safe and sound, swapped the P/U shoes side to side and made sure it ran, it did.Still hasn't been down the track though. I did start another one, a conversion from an A/W rear engine to front engine just to see how it would look, I really liked the ones that Pceng and Ninja did, so I had to try it myself. I doubt if that car goes to the race, the only extra arm I have is a blue drag arm and that isn't going to cut it for that race. I'll have to see what happens. |
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Post by SKR on Jan 30, 2013 19:41:35 GMT -7
I have a few things up my sleeve that I'm not yet ready to reveal. It will be a cool pancake powered car  |
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Post by Eagle Racing on Jan 30, 2013 20:49:04 GMT -7
If it ain't broke don't screw with it However may wind a new arm as the other one was hurt pretty bad, still fast but not the like it should have been. Just going to tweek what I have. I can tell you that there will be more than two cars running 5s
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Post by ninjatek on Jan 30, 2013 22:37:01 GMT -7
I will probably tweak my last entry a bit. Thinking of experimenting with magnet set up. One upgrade I will have to do is shorten those header pipes some so my opponent can at least fit on the track with me without having to dissect their car. Thinking of doing a second AW conversion. Will probably shorten the body by 25%. I have an idea for something a little different for wheelie bars. Oh yeah, got an engine being built by one of those race shops in Texas. Aiming for demon status in the Pro series. But right now got to take it all for me to reach that goal. Help my odds, I need more people to beat . . . , I mean more people to sign up. |
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Got the car back safe and sound, swapped the P/U shoes side to side and made sure it ran, it did.Still hasn't been down the track though.
