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Feb 25, 2014 14:23:39 GMT -7
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Post by pceng on Feb 25, 2014 14:23:39 GMT -7
Second generation FED now done. Basically the same as first, but 3 instead of 6 ohms. Had to switch bodies with first to have room for wiring. So first became altered.
Tom, if you catch this. Picked up a couple of those motors from Radio Shack. Grabed both 9v'ers they had. Have a few others, but since these match though maybe a 4WD, brass frame. Possible bracket car.
Sorry about that dbl. post before, I deleted it.............
Almost forgot to ask, has anyone ever weighed a resin FED body ? Have one from, Hairy Canary that does not enclose sides of chassis. It weighs 7.1g's. The altered body (finished except for wheelie bars being put on) weighs 7 .5g's. My converted AW (rear to front engine) weighs 6.4g's. I do not have any of the fenderless altered bodies. Nor any of the full bodied FED's. So was hoping someone could supply that info. Unless those two create a big difference, can't see why body styles would yeild a weight advantage. And if there were a min. weight for the FED's seems the AW converts would be the ones to cary more weight.
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Post by AJR on Feb 25, 2014 17:27:32 GMT -7
Almost forgot to ask, has anyone ever weighed a resin FED body ? Have one from, Hairy Canary that does not enclose sides of chassis. It weighs 7.1g's. The altered body (finished except for wheelie bars being put on) weighs 7 .5g's. My converted AW (rear to front engine) weighs 6.4g's. I do not have any of the fenderless altered bodies. Nor any of the full bodied FED's. So was hoping someone could supply that info. Unless those two create a big difference, can't see why body styles would yeild a weight advantage. And if there were a min. weight for the FED's seems the AW converts would be the ones to cary more weight. ...................... Peter Peter here is some weight info. for you. My org/wht Eagle slingshot is 9.2g, Eagle wedge is 9.7g, and my HC Extreme Altered is 8.1g. FYI.......... |
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Post by TGM2054 on Feb 25, 2014 17:42:10 GMT -7
Got it Peter. Thats the one in the car now. Just doen't seem to have the torque to pull the big tires. I wanted to try a 3ohm arm for a Tyco in it, but I'm not sure about the mags in the can being strong enough to really make it work.
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Post by pceng on Feb 26, 2014 1:36:10 GMT -7
Hey Jeff,, thanks for the weight info. Between us cars range from 6.4 up.to 9.7g's. And four groups of bodies all that have a particular range of weights. AW converts in the sixes, small rresin feds seven. The altereds eight and the larger fullbodied feds in the nines.
So the altereds weight falls almost in the middle of the bodies being used and should not be a concern leading to min. weights. A greater difference in weight already exists. The three lighter classes are close about a gram and a half separate them. While the bigger feds are about a gram and a half heavier than the heaviest of the other three body types. So a min. weight would be of the greatest benifit to the larger fed bodies. Doesn't seem right to have such a rule that would require different body styles to carry different amounts of weight.
If there were a min. weight, would it be in a range reflecting the heaviest of the bodies ? This might exclude the AW converts. At one point I loaded the front end of my green fed convert with led to try keeping the front down (didn't work). Not much room inside front of convert, especially if shortend. Do not remember weight of led used but remember being surprised at how little it amounted to. Was under 2g's. The only way for this car to cary more would be glued to the body.
N/TF is probably my favorite NTRA class. Mostly because of the freedom of thinking allowed (get to tinker more). Think it used to be more fun though before it became a class, had more of a llight hearted just for fun messin around kinda feel to it.
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F.E.D. FUN
Feb 27, 2014 13:10:19 GMT -7
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Post by pceng on Feb 27, 2014 13:10:19 GMT -7
Got it Peter. Thats the one in the car now. Just doen't seem to have the torque to pull the big tires. I wanted to try a 3ohm arm for a Tyco in it, but I'm not sure about the mags in the can being strong enough to really make it work. Hey Tom, tried to post this before but messed something up. Remember you saying something about torque before. One of the reasons, I was thinking 4WD. If you get the chance try a Life-Like motor. Lucky Bob, has them for $7.-, not sure on amount but close. Lots of torque to play with. And the motors go into 4g chassis pretty easy. The shape of the motor (squared sides) is easier to deal with than the round even half round cans. The LL can that I put brush tubes and 3.0 ohm MRT into. Sounded so good I had to put it into chassis that wss being readied for one of those round cans. The difference in sound between FED with stock motor and new altered with 3.0 ohm is very apparent. Think it will be a beast (hope so anyways). ............................... Peter |
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F.E.D. FUN
Mar 13, 2014 20:16:03 GMT -7
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Post by pceng on Mar 13, 2014 20:16:03 GMT -7
Have heli-car back together, new steel pinion, gears line up much better this time (adjusted pitch of motor). Running good.& tight at 13v hurts catching it at end of 15" track. Screams at 22v ran down 15" test track once.........yea ! Hurt so much more I haven't done it since.............
When's your next race, Jeff. ? You volunteered right......... lol. Trying to figure out body..........don't want to go with box van.........maybe cover part of can with motors..........make a four engine front engine dragster..........FEFED....lol. No worries.....not to race.....don't know if it will get to 27v..........let alone run at 27v a second time........
................ Peter
forgot to mention additioal t/mags....no, downforce magnets were added.........attached to piece of brass layed across chassis.....sit flush with bottem of chassis above each pick-up.....
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F.E.D. FUN
May 14, 2014 10:22:44 GMT -7
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Post by pceng on May 14, 2014 10:22:44 GMT -7
I remember a post not long ago asking about body type. Altered's were being discussed at the time. The answer to the inquiry was, body had exposed engine (blower through hood) in front of driver - it was OK .
Altered's, I think are pretty much accepted as FED bodies. Concern was voiced over a weight difference. But being other bodies used for this class weigh less than altered bodies. The point of a weight advantage became sort of nul.
Question is, where do we draw the line ? Don't get me wrong, I liked altered's running this class. I think the body the question was about was a roadster body.
Roadsters were included in another altered class we once had (t-jet). I think they should be part of this class also. Thing is where to have a cut off point (year wise). So that the era in which early "rail jobs" began to evolve into top fuel before the switch to rear engines is represented.
The thinking that anything with an engine in front kinda leaves things wide open to interpretation. Like altereds & roadsters running...... think we need a year as cut off....... so we don't have new Vets with the top cut off.
Clarification, in the rules is needed for body style also. If exposed engine is the only criteria we could have hoods missing from sedans.............
................. just thinking, PC
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Post by Hemi Hunter on May 14, 2014 11:39:55 GMT -7
I remember a post not long ago asking about body type. Altered's were being discussed at the time. The answer to the inquiry was, body had exposed engine (blower through hood) in front of driver - it was OK . Altered's, I think are pretty much accepted as FED bodies. Concern was voiced over a weight difference. But being other bodies used for this class weigh less than altered bodies. The point of a weight advantage became sort of nul. Question is, where do we draw the line ? Don't get me wrong, I liked altered's running this class. I think the body the question was about was a roadster body. Roadsters were included in another altered class we once had (t-jet). I think they should be part of this class also. Thing is where to have a cut off point (year wise). So that the era in which early "rail jobs" began to evolve into top fuel before the switch to rear engines is represented. The thinking that anything with an engine in front kinda leaves things wide open to interpretation. Like altereds & roadsters running...... think we need a year as cut off....... so we don't have new Vets with the top cut off. Clarification, in the rules is needed for body style also. If exposed engine is the only criteria we could have hoods missing from sedans............. ................. just thinking, PC An Altered has the driver behind the engine and in front or between the rear tires, a front engine dragster as the driver seated behind the rear wheels. Now if you are talking about using that sweet roadster body from Hairy Canary all you would have to do is move the drivers thingypit and put a blower in place of the hood scoop. that's what I plan on doing in the future with my roadster. |
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F.E.D. FUN
May 14, 2014 13:04:31 GMT -7
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Post by pceng on May 14, 2014 13:04:31 GMT -7
Hey Hemi, going by the definition you posted, don't see a reason to move driver. I do have the same HC body and think it was the same that I saw approved.
Reason for post was the thought that clarification was needed for body style. Just came up at past race....... figured clarification would head off any future misinterpretation's.
......... Peter
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Post by Eagle Racing on Jun 8, 2014 4:59:26 GMT -7
I sure hope all you NT/F front engine dragster racers are tuning up those cars for the 2014 Summer Nationals. I have the feeling that what use to be fast won't cut it this year. My two dragster's are torn down. I am starting my builds today. Two brand new Screamin Eagle Motors will be at the heart of these two setups. I know Jeff is thinking FED to. I am already building new dragster wheels and tires for his setup's. This is unlimited drag racing at it's best. I know we will see lots of innovative ideas in this class again this year. |
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Post by pceng on Jun 8, 2014 8:04:53 GMT -7
I sure hope all you NT/F front engine dragster racers are tuning up those cars for the 2014 Summer Nationals. I have the feeling that what use to be fast won't cut it this year. My two dragster's are torn down. I am starting my builds today. Two brand new Screamin Eagle Motors will be at the heart of these two setups. I know Jeff is thinking FED to. I am already building new dragster wheels and tires for his setup's. This is unlimited drag racing at it's best. I know we will see lots of innovative ideas in this class again this year. Well, nooooo...... Already done........ waiting for July...... ......problem is which to send, built two more with altered bodies (sort of, roadster and coupe, what the heck.... if, Dougs woody is ok these should be) Same set-ups as green fed, ok, close to same..... better gear alignment & brushtubes in one. DS is ready, need to roll out FC & TF later today......... Oooone, two,three four...... how could I forget MM/PS........ hope to get that back to same after last tear down........ going to try brush adjustment while running, haven't done this yet...... ...................................... Peter |
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Post by Eagle Racing on Jun 8, 2014 10:23:39 GMT -7
Can't make up your mind which one to send Peter, may I suggest the slow one......  .....just kidding....maybe....maybe not... |
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Post by Eagle Racing on Jun 14, 2014 3:33:29 GMT -7
Winding new motors for both my FEDs. Got to get these ready for the Summer Nationals.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Jun 16, 2014 4:05:51 GMT -7
Got motors wound and now time to polish the com plates. Then I will install plates, time, and balance the motor. Next I will be sanding and fitting some custom bronze gears to a new gear plate.
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F.E.D. FUN
Jun 17, 2014 22:57:09 GMT -7
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Post by pceng on Jun 17, 2014 22:57:09 GMT -7
It was suggested not long ago. That the feds I send to the Summer Nats should be the slow ones............. OK ! I'll do that........
The slowest is probably the 33' coupe then the "Green Fed".......... though the gf has had some work done to it........... it is faster than it's ever been........... hope to get a pass in........... lol.
Took it to Doug's , today............... ran at 22 (wallwart).......... reved car, and placed at start.......... hit throttle and immediatly let go....... in truth because it scared me........ was not ready for the way car left.
....... what.amounted to a short full throtle blip left the car not far from wall at end of run-off........
Never have seen anything that will go so far at a coast........
What it amounts to......... I don't know !
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.....just kidding....maybe....maybe not... 