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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 16:34:48 GMT -7
Cordell,
Understanding that no rule changes will take place for season 2014, I respectfully request the following be taken into consideration for season 2015:
Under the rules for MM/PS:
1. Any manufactures inline chassis be permitted to run adv or retarded arms equal to the amount that can be introduced by the G3 bulkhead or
2 The G3 Bulkhead adjustment feature be set a Zero timing position.
Regarding "Black Tires"
As some classes state "Black Tires" change the rules wording to that of "Tires must present a Black Appearance".
Thank you
Alan @ MGDS
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Post by SKR on Mar 17, 2014 19:26:42 GMT -7
Good idea starting this thread Alan. This would be a good place to suggest changes that you would like to see in 2015. I'd like to ask you all to keep it to just that...... "suggestions". Lets keep this clean, no need to clutter it up with rants about someones suggested rules not being fair. One last thing, if you decide you want to add or delete your variation of the rules then please just edit your post instead of re-posting.This will keep this thread cleaner and easier to follow. Maybe this could be the preliminary thread to a more detailed discussion thread on rule changes later this year? . My suggestions: MM/PS- Allow adv/ret. timing for all legal armatures for this class
- Allow any machine wound armature that ohms no lower than 2.6, no limit on cost
NF/C- Allow any plastic wheels to be used
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Post by TGM2054 on Mar 18, 2014 9:29:28 GMT -7
I'll agree with Sam on the N/FC wheels. Thats the way I thought it was up till last year. I don't really see any advantage to running one type of wheel over another as long as it stays with slip on's only.I alo liked what Allen said about the silly foams for the classes that allow them.
Maybe the silly foams should only be alllowed in the more radical classes, FED,MM/PS, Doorslammers, ect.
As far as the MM/PS's, I'll let you guys hash that one out, I don't know enough about that style of car to be able to make an intelligent comment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 6:06:41 GMT -7
What place in Brooksville did you have Dad at?
Alan
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Post by pceng on Mar 20, 2014 7:47:08 GMT -7
Solution, maybe to tire color. Primary concern is over inlines, what if any tire were allowed but did not have to match car if it was black. Or colored tires had to match car. Orange tires, orange on car.. White tires red hub,, red & white car and so forth. Sort of a compromise. Things would be aesthetic if not realistic.
.............................. Peter
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Post by pceng on Mar 20, 2014 14:59:37 GMT -7
Sugestion, and reasons. Allow, even encourage the use of non-ferous shims. I'm sure others look at shimming mags as a basic principal used in tunning. If mags are equi-distant from arm, arm is concentric and all poles ohm the same. You have an electrically balanced motor. If a magnet moves it is no longer balanced. Shims prevent this................. could we glue magnets as rules stand ?
Other point is if we want to be friendly and help those not in the know, then lets do that ! I've never looked at the pancake tunning tips, unless for a 4g. For me why ? Started playin around with them 50 yrs. ago. I'm not going to learn anything new.
But if shiming and the role it plays in achieving an electrically balanced motor is not covered in the tunning tips it should be ! Information here should be passed along in a unbiased and true fashion. This so people trying to learn something can do so and be confident in their knowledge.
......................................... Peter
(Keeping it suggestions & why, Sam. I'll look back and delete all the dribble soon, probably be wincing at the same time)
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Post by pceng on Mar 21, 2014 16:16:08 GMT -7
Deleted some stuff, and winced.
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Post by pceng on Mar 22, 2014 18:12:36 GMT -7
Saw the looking into, didn't think this belonged in thread.
Trying to think up chassis for MM/PS got stuck on t/mags. Believe the rule on t/mags is any poly, or ceramic I guess. Couple of chassis that came to mind have metal looking t/mags. If these metal magnets are neo, they are not real strong. Probably not as strong as the magnets permited in the MM class.
If the rule concerning t/mags instead of limiting types allowed, limited the amount of pull or downforce. The class would be open to more chassis types. The rule as stands seems to be as a limit to downforce (and might have been written before different grades of polys were available).
If the rules limited downforce or any limit was done away with (to much is no good anyway). Along with timing adjustments being allowed. The amount of chassis that could be used for the class could even promote growth of the class. Look at the bracket class, good turnouts everytime ? IMO, because anything can be used. If the rules for MM's were more "any chassis" oriented. The entries for races might equal those of bracket races.
............... Peter
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Post by nosubfor3 on Mar 23, 2014 6:25:00 GMT -7
Maybe we need to rethink of how to allow more chassis into MM/PS. Since the Mega G,the Super III both have poly motor mags and Neo traction mags they are not legal for MM/PS.I do not know if wizzard ceramic motor mags will fit the Mega G and the Super III. If they do fit the issue will still be the poly traction mags. But what if we allow poly motor magnets alone with no traction magnets. Will the poly motor mags have enough downforce with out any wheel spin? If down force is sufficient then the arm timing issue is also addresed as both the Mega G and Super III have side to side brush configurations and advance timing. I think?
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Post by pceng on Mar 23, 2014 6:52:15 GMT -7
Hey Nosub, think the traction mags are the bigger issue. Ceramic grade polys are used in the class. Thought if magnet force was a consideration instead of type of magnet class would open up to more chassis. Was only thinking of t/mags though. If this were applied to m/mags also it would really open things up.
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Post by nosubfor3 on Mar 23, 2014 7:03:38 GMT -7
Hey Nosub, think the traction mags are the bigger issue. Ceramic grade polys are used in the class. Thought if magnet force was a consideration instead of type of magnet class would open up to more chassis. Was only thinking of t/mags though. If this were applied to m/mags also it would really open things up. ................ Peter Peter that is my point. Since Mega G's and Super III come with Poly m/mags and Wizzard,Slottech,BSRT all have Poly M/mags available that would open the class to almost every inline chassis type. The way I read the rules it allows Ceramic m/mags and poly t/mags. Magnets: Only two motor magnets per car. Ceramic motor magnets are only allowed. Polymer traction magnets are allowed. Only a total of four magnets per car. Two Motor and Two traction magnets. No extra magnets allowed. Read more: nitroslots.com/thread/3323/isra-mountain-motor-pro-stock#ixzz2wnJoXdAf |
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Post by pceng on Mar 23, 2014 7:06:15 GMT -7
This might envoke some thought. If there was no limit on t/mags, would anyone go to a stronger magnet ? No turns, we're going straight. More downforce than needed for hook-up is only going to slow down cars.
Think I'm going to measure some m/mags today. Get back with results.
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Post by pceng on Mar 23, 2014 7:19:22 GMT -7
Hey Nosub, we went over the m/mag, & ceramic grade polys a while back. You might have missed it. Polys are ok if in ceramic grade. Think they make them ftom left-over material. This is the reason I want to check different magnets for comparison.
.......... Peter
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Post by nosubfor3 on Mar 23, 2014 7:32:39 GMT -7
Hey Nosub, we went over the m/mag, & ceramic grade polys a while back. You might have missed it. Polys are ok if in ceramic grade. Think they make them ftom left-over material. This is the reason I want to check different magnets for comparison. .......... Peter So let’s analyze this. I want to enter MM/PS. I have three chassis platforms that qualify for the build. Super G+, Wizzard and Tyco. These are the only three both magnet types are readily available. But now we confront the arm timing issue. Wiz offers all sorts of arms for Tyco and wiz chassis at a cost. Hmmmmm. My head hurts. I’m gonna take a nap. |
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Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Mar 23, 2014 8:47:40 GMT -7
nosubfor3 said,
So let’s analyze this. I want to enter MM/PS. I have three chassis platforms that qualify for the build. Super G+, Wizzard and Tyco. These are the only three both magnet types are readily available. But now we confront the arm timing issue. Wiz offers all sorts of arms for Tyco and wiz chassis at a cost. Hmmmmm. My head hurts. I’m gonna take a nap.
My 2 cents,
This class will be run all year buy the current rules so with that said I feel your best car to build for the class at this time is the G+.If you would like to send a prototype of a Tyco or Wizzard chassis for testing you are welcome to do so.After the race I will run all if any test cars sent in,just include the details of your build to be shared with the results.This will help in making rule changes for next year for use of other chassis.
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