|
|
Post by Eagle Racing on Apr 9, 2015 12:12:37 GMT -7
The N3 inline class for Modern Funny Car does allow custom winds up to 3ohm. That class will be run at the Summer Nationals. Should be interesting to see all those custom winds.
|
|
|
|
Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Apr 9, 2015 12:39:13 GMT -7
A point no one has brought up is that custom arms are not mass produced and if everyone is running nothing but custom arms it would be harder for suppliers to keep up with the demand for parts. Each one is made only when you order it for your build and so the wait begins for your parts since most everyone I know that builds these custom parts also has a regular job outside of this hobby that too adds to your wait time.
My other thought is where do we race all these super hot cars? As of right now no one has the shutdown to run these high speed builds over 50 mph and if the answer to that is running at lower volts that's just plain dumb. You also need more amps then any wallpack will ever give you and controllers will be needing an upgrade to run these builds correctly on the track and at home testing.
(Lower Volts would be like running NHRA Top Fuel class but only on 93 octane pump gas. Why?)
But remember we do have a few classes that allow custom winds so why not give that a try before changing anymore rules?
|
|
|
|
Post by pceng on Apr 9, 2015 14:20:17 GMT -7
It was a suggestion for the future.......which if it helped attendance , I would be in favor of. No mention was made of altering any classes or adding any. Just allowing winds to class specs.
I have no doubts that custom winds are better than factory. From a construction standpoint. As for performance doubts arise as the only reasons for them being better so far is somebody said so or they taste better.
Yep, a dead horse........ Peter
|
|
|
|
Post by TGM2054 on Apr 9, 2015 14:21:38 GMT -7
Good point Phantom. You can get Dash arms in 14 and16 ohm and still find mean greens for between $5 and $7. I don't think anyone will custom wind an arm for that amount.
Anybody can buy the most expensive , best go fast parts available and make a fast car, to me it's more about putting some parts together and having fun.
|
|
|
|
Post by pceng on Apr 9, 2015 14:33:35 GMT -7
$15. or 20.- is less than a half dozen Mean Greens to find a good one. And less than what I've seen original MG's, Tuff Ones, or Blue drag arms going for.
|
|
|
|
Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Apr 9, 2015 14:40:19 GMT -7
The only bad arms I have are the few I have burned out and the rest are all good, just not used yet. If you have dozens of what you call bad arms why not sell them on ebay like everyone else and buy more good ones.
|
|
|
|
Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Apr 9, 2015 14:42:05 GMT -7
It was a suggestion for the future.......which if it helped attendance , I would be in favor of. No mention was made of altering any classes or adding any. Just allowing winds to class specs. I have no doubts that custom winds are better than factory. From a construction standpoint. As for performance doubts arise as the only reasons for them being better so far is somebody said so or they taste better. Yep, a dead horse........ Peter
You didn't understand what Al was saying? What are you 5? |
|
|
|
Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Apr 9, 2015 14:58:49 GMT -7
|
|
|
|
Post by AJR on Apr 9, 2015 15:12:58 GMT -7
It was a suggestion for the future.......which if it helped attendance , I would be in favor of. No mention was made of altering any classes or adding any. Just allowing winds to class specs. I have no doubts that custom winds are better than factory. From a construction standpoint. As for performance doubts arise as the only reasons for them being better so far is somebody said so or they taste better. Yep, a dead horse........ Peter Peter if it's added to the specs isn't that changing the classes that they would be allowed in? I think the answer is yes. If you have no doubt that the custom winds are better than factory wouldn't that be an advantage to the custom wound arm? I think the answer is yes....again. If it would be a waste of time for someone to do that in your opinion then why did you even suggest it?? I don't get it??? As a suggestion I brought up maybe adding it to some specific classes rather than just shooting the idea down. And others suggested more classes. So that's where those ideas came from. No one said you suggested that. Personally I think it just complicates things. The rules as they stand don't need a lot of tweaking and this constant questioning of them really gets tiring. Some have even said recently that they don't like having rules. Without rules it then becomes who has the deepest pockets. |
|
|
|
Post by AJR on Apr 9, 2015 15:15:01 GMT -7
Good point Phantom. You can get Dash arms in 14 and16 ohm and still find mean greens for between $5 and $7. I don't think anyone will custom wind an arm for that amount. Anybody can buy the most expensive , best go fast parts available and make a fast car, to me it's more about putting some parts together and having fun. Exactly!!! |
|
|
|
Post by AJR on Apr 9, 2015 16:15:55 GMT -7
A point no one has brought up is that custom arms are not mass produced and if everyone is running nothing but custom arms it would be harder for suppliers to keep up with the demand for parts. Each one is made only when you order it for your build and so the wait begins for your parts since most everyone I know that builds these custom parts also has a regular job outside of this hobby that too adds to your wait time.
My other thought is where do we race all these super hot cars? As of right now no one has the shutdown to run these high speed builds over 50 mph and if the answer to that is running at lower volts that's just plain dumb. You also need more amps then any wallpack will ever give you and controllers will be needing an upgrade to run these builds correctly on the track and at home testing.
(Lower Volts would be like running NHRA Top Fuel class but only on 93 octane pump gas. Why?)
But remember we do have a few classes that allow custom winds so why not give that a try before changing anymore rules? These are good points Phantom. One other thing that should be considered when including all of these unlimited builds in proxy events.......at least this is the only way I can look at it......is the fact that it costs some pretty good money to build any unlimited car and I have a hard time justifying that cost for a one off...one time race. I would much rather take that money and buy parts for the classes that do run more often. Personally my favorite builds are the Intermediate builds and the one's that allow CUSTOMIZING. Not a boatload of money and the rules bring into play building and tuning skills. I do not have the money for the best equipment, track brand, timing systems, hi performance parts, etc. that others on the forum do. But what I do have is very solid compared to any of the high end stuff. Many of us are not just car builders, but customizers as well. I like seeing the craftsmanship! I like to see fast cars too. "See" being the key word there. I base my classes that I run in my events on what is popular on the forum and what is not being included in the other events. I usually have a pretty good turnout when doing that. I have said this before.......in my opinion what brings people to the races is good events. Rick V's Finals at Lions is what got me hooked because it was always a great evnts with lots of pics and coverage. That's what brings people in. That and seeing the cool car builds. |
|
|
|
Post by pceng on Apr 9, 2015 19:45:00 GMT -7
It was a suggestion for the future.......which if it helped attendance , I would be in favor of. No mention was made of altering any classes or adding any. Just allowing winds to class specs. I have no doubts that custom winds are better than factory. From a construction standpoint. As for performance doubts arise as the only reasons for them being better so far is somebody said so or they taste better. Yep, a dead horse........ Peter
You didn't understand what Al was saying? What are you 5? I got what Al, was saying. If he knows he's not saying. I'd rather remain 5 and question everything..... than grow up STUPID and believe anything I'm told for no better reason. Which was it, you get slapped a lot when you were a kid, or stay inside ? |
|
lewis
Pro Stock
Posts: 220
|
Post by lewis on Apr 10, 2015 0:05:39 GMT -7
I was the one that said I liked unlimited. I also said I dident like all the rules for the point that to a new guy like me they are confusing. I would rather run unlimited to see what I can do to a car and make it as fast as possible that's my point of view. That's what i like the challenge of that's also why I don't run all the other classes I will be at Dave's next race. I do agree that some classes should allow custom winds for the fact that I would really like to get into winding some more. If there is no classes for it then what is the point of learning it. Where I live its not like where you live in the Dallas fort worth area we don't have people here that are into slots to start a club and get together and race my only option is to proxy or drive 4 hours to the closest place to race and that would again be Dave's house. I don't have deep pockets but I still like the challenge of building something to squeeze every mph I can from it. In every class that's here each and every person here has a advantage over a new guy because of your knowledge I don't know the tips and tricks because I haven't been doing this or know people that have for years and years so the unlimited class is what I can be competitive in since that's all I know. So for now its Dave's race only for me. I don't mean for this to be hateful or smart i don't mean it that way at all just wanted to clear up what i was talking about with the rule and what i was meaning with custom winds. So please dont take it the wrong way. Alot of what I know now about the unlimited class is because of al pink and Dave. With a big thanks to all you guys for helping me out and find places to buy parts and things at a better price. Jeff I talks to fast eddies I'm going to order so bearings this weekend. Im working on a little treat to send to Dave's.
|
|
lewis
Pro Stock
Posts: 220
|
Post by lewis on Apr 10, 2015 0:26:23 GMT -7
To add to the above I don't run pancake style chassis I know there are some of those Tha allow winding but unless I mistaken and i may be there isn't any inline classes that allow custom arms. Im not trying to change anything here the rules were here before I was so I'm good with what y'all have I have the one race a year I can run for now if I can get time to finish my track I might try to add one more to that.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 0:42:54 GMT -7
I think there is something for everyone here. maybe not all the time, but at least once a year.
Peter is trying, in his own way, to open more doors and bring people out of that closet.
with the amount of members we have and the limited number of them participating, I can see a reason to try to bring more into actual racing.
sometimes, enough is enough though.
in my local, twice a year, drag race, we have a fair number of guys and most are regular. we always welcome everyone and anyone and supply loaners to those without.
but, the space we use is limited and too many more might make things a little too tight for comfort.
some of the race masters just might like the amont of cars they are getting for their events while others certainly do want to expand the fields.
as some guy who got tazed said ... "can't we all just get along?"
!
|
|
