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Post by SKR on Dec 1, 2016 6:48:02 GMT -7
Track owners; Please submit your dates and classes here. Rick Voegelin will be hosting Nitro Slots 10th anniversary race on his beautiful Lions dragstrip in June or July. I'll get that date nailed down asap. Rules will be posted this week.
Month
| 2017 Event/Date | Classes | January
| 17-29th Blacktop Raceway Classic Bracket Race
| Bracket Racing - Any chassis Match Racing PSO list racing - X-Traction Comp
| February
| KIWI-LAND
| Announcement soon
| | March | 17-18th Winter Nationals at Bear Creek
| Door Slammer - 4G Comp T-Jet - Super Stock Pro Street Outlaws - X-Traction Comp Match Races
| April
| 21-23rd Smoky Mountain Dragway
| TBA
| May
| Open
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| June
| Open
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| July
| Open
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| August
| Open
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| September
| Lions Drag Strip Nitro Slots 10th Anniversary Event
| Gasser - T-Jet Comp Nostalgia Funny Car - 4G Stock
| October
| 27th - 28th at Pikes Peak Dragway High Altitude Nationals
| Pro Street Outlaws - X-Traction Comp Nostalgia Pro Stock - T-jet Super Stock Door Slammers - 4G Comp Inline Stock - Stock
| November
| Open
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| December
| Open
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Post by AJR on Dec 1, 2016 12:52:13 GMT -7
I normally run my race in March. I would like to reserve that month for the Winter Nationals at Bear Creek. Not sure which classes at this time.
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Post by SKR on Dec 1, 2016 15:15:27 GMT -7
Thanks Jeff, I have you down for March.
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Post by SKR on Dec 2, 2016 15:10:01 GMT -7
2017 Rules. I wanted to put this out there because some of you have been asking. Note that there are 2 divisions;
•Pancake
•Inline
These are the chassis rules. Body rules will be posted soon. This is set up so that a host can say we're racing "Pancake - Comp T-Jet" with Gasser body rules, everyone wanting to compete at that race would have to send a T-jet chassis with a Gasser type body since the race host requested it. A race host could also say we're running "Pancake Comp T-Jet" with "open" body rules which gives the racer options to choose whatever body they want to run as long as their chassis falls under the "Pancake Comp" rules.
"Open Pancake" would be racers choice, run anyone of the division chassis.
Revised Rules 12/01/2016
Pancake Division - T-jet
- X-Traction, Magna Traction
- 4 Gear
- Open
Maximum Tire Size
- Tjet, MT/XT all builds: .490
- 4 gear Stock, Super Stock: .560
- 4 gear Comp, Super Comp, and Unlimited: unlimited
- Inline all builds: unlimited
Pancake
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Electrical
| Armature Ohm Minimum
| Motor Magnets
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Traction Magnets
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Gears/Axels
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Wheels & Tires
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Miscellaneous
| Wheelie Bars
| Stock
| Stock & After
market parts allowed
No shunts or braids
| Pancake - 14.5 ohm
Blue printing allowed to include:
No de-winding, com cutting
or timing adjustments allowed
| Ceramic Grade
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No
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No Silly FoamsNo other restrictions
| No Chassis Modifications
| Yes
| Stock | Stock & After market parts allowed. No shunts or braids. | Pancake 14.5 Blue printing allowed to include: No de-winding, com cutting or timing adjustments allowed
| Ceramic Grade |
No
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| No silly foams No other restrictions
| No Chassis Modifications
| Yes
| Super Stock
| No Restrictions
| Pancake - 14.5 ohm Blue printing allowed to include: No de-winding, com cutting or timing adjustments allowed
| Ceramic Grade
| Yes 2 max. No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No silly foams No other restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
| Comp
| No Restrictions
| Pancake 5.5 ohm Blue printing allowed to include: No de-winding, com cutting or timing adjustments allowed
| Ceramic Grade
| Yes 2 max. No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
| Super Comp
| No Restrictions
| Pancake 5.5 ohm No other restrictions
| Polymer Grade
| Yes 2 max No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
| Unlimited
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
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Inline Division
Inline Division
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Electrical
| Armature Ohm Minimum
| Motor Magnets
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Traction Magnets
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Gears/Axels
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Wheels & Tires
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Miscellaneous
| Wheelie Bars
| Stock | Stock & After market parts allowed No shunts or braids | Inline 5.5 ohm Blue printing allowed to include: No de-winding, com cutting or timing adjustments allowed | Ceramic Grade |
Yes. Factory grade only.
| | No Silly Foams No other restrictions
| No Chassis Modifications
| Yes
| Super Stock
| No Restrictions
| Inline- 5.5 ohm No other restrictions
| Ceramic Grade
| Yes 2 max. No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No silly foams No other restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
| Comp
| No Restrictions
| Inline - 2.4 ohm No other restrictions
| Ceramic Grade
| Yes 2 max. No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
| Super Comp
| No Restrictions
| Inline - 2.4 ohm No other restrictions
| Polymer Grade
| Yes 2 max. No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
| Unlimited
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| No Restrictions
| Yes
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Post by dave632 on Dec 2, 2016 19:53:34 GMT -7
Looks good to me.
I think lexan should be allowed in the unlimited classes however.
I will take April for a race, classes and exact dates to be determined. Want to make sure there will be enough time between Jeffs race and mine.
Most likely classes will be Pancake comp, Inline comp, + List races. I also like the unlimited Inline if we can get any interest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 5:15:26 GMT -7
I will pledge to a proxy race January 27, 28, 29 on my 1/64 scale 1/8 Wizzard strip using Track Mate DP3000 timing system.
classes are Pancake Stock and Pancake Comp.
both classes to be run at 20 volts using a 0-30 volt variable, 0-10 OHM variable(set to 10 OHMs) power supply.
2 entries per class per racer please
the only body restrictions are to be "drag race inspired" bodies. no indy, formula, can am, dirt track etc ad nauseum .... plastic and resin bodies OK. no diecast or vacuum formed bodies please.
let's call this meet SNOW FEST 2017
ENTRIES MUST BE RECEIVED BY JANUARY 27 2017.
I agree with Dave632 that "unlimited" or "outlaw" classes should allow vacuum formed bodies.
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Post by SKR on Dec 3, 2016 6:32:46 GMT -7
sounds good Al.
Yes lexan will be allowed in the unlimited classes.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 3, 2016 6:51:08 GMT -7
As Al stated, "Drag race" or muscle car inspired bodies probably should be requested in all our race information. Most adhere to this policy anyway.
Wheelie bars OK in all classes?
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Post by AJR on Dec 3, 2016 7:25:35 GMT -7
OK I was waiting before I put anything out there. I usually keep quiet and go with the flow, but since thoughts and ideas are flying. Not a big fan of lexan, but maybe that's because I don't have any or a lot of experience with them. Does that apply to the dragsters....particularly FED? I have run several unlimited 4 gear races with no car damages even with my shorter run off. Can't say it would be the same with a lexan body. Are all of the pancake classes now running together? I see Al has his two pancake classes but no chassis designation. If so, how does that work? Anxious to see the body rules to maybe help clear some of my questions up on that.
I have the classes that I would like to run at my race, but I was wanting to see more on this new format first. I'm going to go ahead and put it out there now. Sam I know you are running Doorslammer, but I want to double up on it. Dave I was looking at March 17 and 18.
Winter Nationals classes:
-Doorslammer (pancake 4 gear Super Comp)
-Super Stock (pancake Tjet Super Stock)
-Pro Street Outlaw
-Match Racing
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Post by SKR on Dec 3, 2016 8:25:40 GMT -7
I added chassis description underneath Pancake Division. I hope that clears things up a bit Jeff? Yes there will still be chassis specific classes unless a host wants to open it up to racers choice. I apologize on the confusion and should have posted that earlier.
I'll need Al's input on what chassis will be allowed to run.
This would look like
- T-jet Comp
- T-jet Stock
- X-Traction Comp
- X-Traction Stock
- Pancake Open Comp(Racer's Choice of chassis)
- etc.........
Does this make better sense?
On the lexan topic. Say we wanted to run Nostalgia Top Fuel which is an unlimited class, Since it is a designated body class it will have body rules to follow. Thanks for bringing that up Jeff, I overlooked it and need to make a few changes.
I'm happy to answer anymore questions, I know it's a little to take in at the moment but am sure it will be much easier for everyone once we get going.
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Post by SKR on Dec 3, 2016 8:27:51 GMT -7
Dave, I'll be adding a column for wheelie bars.
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Post by AJR on Dec 3, 2016 8:30:57 GMT -7
Trust me......I do have faith Sam. That's why I'm usually quiet and go with it. I got confused when I saw Al's classes posted that way on the spreadsheet. I think my classes are clear then. Thanks you.
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Post by 79malibu on Dec 3, 2016 8:33:04 GMT -7
In regards to the bodies I to am in favor of drag or muscle car bodies no NASCAR,tank or bus bodies. And lean only in t/f
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 9:33:53 GMT -7
my race will be open chassis as long as they are pancake armatures and manufactured.
given that gears, wheels and tires in all the classes appear to be un-restricted, there would be no reason to disclude any particular chassis.
.... let me bring up electrics, particularly motor brushes. .... in Magnatraction and Xtraction chassis coil springs are used to apply pressure on the brush to the commutator. perfectly acceptable. ....
. ..... will coil springs alone be considered "brushes"/brush material? ....
does unrestricetd indicate that shunts and or braids are permitted? perspiring minds want to know. ...
Sam, not picking, just throwing stuff out there that have been issues locally!
my races all allow wheelie bars unless otherwise stated.
... upon further examination of the updated rules, I see there are classes dissallowing wheelie bars. ...
...... I will have to consider this update .....
I have only ever had one class that dissallowed wheelie bars and we don't live race that class anymore.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND wheelie bars in all classes, even if you use a weighted front end.
BODIES .... a little uncommon sense here I think.
lamborghinis and ferraris might race occasionally in drag events, but are not mainstream or expected.
as Dave pointed out, street style cars are OK. but I don't care for seeing "exotic" bodies.
to go a step further, Vipers are pretty rare, but I see no reason to dissallow.
lexan, in particular is very strong and can take one heck of a hit.
witness NASCAR only allows lexan windows.
detailing them is not altogether easy.
most folks paint them on the inside to preserve the paint job in collision occurences.
other vacuum material may not be as strong and styrene sheet is a popular material for vacuum forming bodies.
I have crashed outlaw inline with lexan body at over 100 MPH and all that happened to the body was some flaked off paint from the flex.
regarding rules, there is plenty of time to tweak, so I encourage everyone to state their opinion AND PREFERENCES.
just like a political election .... if you do not vote, you should not complain later.
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Post by AJR on Dec 3, 2016 10:54:06 GMT -7
All due respect Al, but I don't see how allowing all pancake chassis types to race together is going to work. I mean a similarly built Tjet chassis is not going to run the same as a 4 gear or an Xtraction. In the end it is up to the racer as to what chassis they want to build. But if I wanted to have a chance at winning I wouldn't run a 4 gear, so why even allow it? Instead of apples to apples it would be like apples to pears. It's your event so it really doesn't matter what I think. Maybe I will learn something here. As far as lexan...I personally won't be running any lexan bodies here.
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