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Post by scottman2007 on Dec 5, 2016 13:45:50 GMT -7
I agree with no tire size Rule as long as they dont stick way out past the fenders like some cartoon looking car from Tom Slick, LOL.But I do think all Tires do need to be black, and not White, yellow, Orange. thats my 2 cents on that.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 5, 2016 14:00:03 GMT -7
As far as tire color goes I am all for black but I would not stop someone running any color if that is all they have. I would SUGGEST black however.
I have found little advantage with wider tire sizes unlike full size 1/1 cars where tires make a huge difference. I put a wider tire on my PSO car and the ET and MPH were slower. Do we really need to worry about it? Has anyone found a big difference with different tire sizes? Tire compound makes a much bigger difference.
Worrying about what tire came stock with a certain model would be a headache. Imagine trying to figure out what came with a stock Tyco, AW, Life Like etc. model. Most of those stock cars all have different tires sizes. You would be making someone change their tires to suit a class and I think it would chase away newer racers. It would annoy me and I have lots of tires.
Personally I like the rules as they are. We can SUGGEST body types but I would not restrict any body at my races.
NoSub has a good point, what are the current voltages of modern Wall Paks? Is 13.8 used because it is the voltage a fully charged auto battery puts out? If we know the voltage that will be used beforehand we can set our cars up for that voltage anyway. Traction does start to become an issue when voltages go up but if we know ahead of time what that voltage will be the car can be set up accordingly.
Currently the only class that has a voltage restriction is PSO List races at 18V.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Dec 5, 2016 14:43:22 GMT -7
My 2 cents. Tire size should be unlimited as long as the car does not take on a cartoonish character. (ie. 4 Gear rims on a t-jet) When setting up a specific car for a specific class the FRONT tires should be within the fenders and REAR can extend about 1/8 to a 1/16 of an inch outside.Of course with with class's like Pro Mod,DS MM/PS and so on,if the builder can tuck the tires inside the body great. If not than the 1/8-1/16 method should apply. My only question about voltage is how will a neewbie tune their stock car with a wall-wart for 13.8V? Are wallwarts all 18V?? I have seen 13.8, 18, and 22 volt wall warts. I think Auto World has a 13.8 with there drag strip. |
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Post by SKR on Dec 5, 2016 15:44:44 GMT -7
I think 13.8v was for stock t-jets. Reason being - no traction magnets.
I prefer black tires but also wouldn't restrict anyone from running. I'm making the call that the race host will have to specify if all color tires are legal for their event.
Just tire size and voltage now. Do we want to set voltage regulations or come up with suggested class voltages? I don't really remember volts being a concern at any race as long as the race master states beforehand what they'll be racing at.
I'll be setting up a poll for tire size when I finish posting this so that everyone can vote anonymously. Members be sure to vote, if it is decided we need regulated sizes, we will move forward on the subject. Poll will end tomorrow evening.
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Post by SKR on Dec 5, 2016 15:54:45 GMT -7
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Post by AJR on Dec 5, 2016 17:35:33 GMT -7
We have been running with a minimum recommended voltage. Racemaster can go up from there or keep it at that. I also prefer black tires for realism, but I think Bear Creek will allow colored tires for this season and see how it goes. I feel that guidelines are needed to keep things from getting out of hand and keep the playing field somewhat level. Tire size maximum diameter should be mandated by NTRA in my opinion. I am assuming we are talking about diameter for the most part. I know width has been mentioned. I will vote but have no problem putting that out there. I have competed in several sports and hobbies....there's ALWAYS the guy that likes to push the limit of ridiculous. Others will want to be different just for the sake of being different. One persons idea of cartoony is anothers idea of cool. No one like that here at this time, but there has been in the past. There have been a couple of tracks that have run proxy races here in the past on wall warts. They did the best they could with what they had and we got another event as a result. It's tough trying to tune for that, but they were still good events. Gotta turn that amp setting waaay back on the adjustable power supplies to tune. Body rules....as I said I like realism. I know there are always exceptions, but typically you don't see certain cars at the strip unless it's open bracket Friday night. I personally don't want to see passenger cars, tuners, exotics, indy cars, etc.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 6, 2016 6:46:45 GMT -7
I agree we should put a size limit on tires to avoid weird looking cars but I think just a max diameter of say .490 for all classes except the dragster classes where maybe a .550 diameter would be allowed. Width should be ignored. I have no problem with realism but I would only make it a suggestion in the rules and not set in stone. I never saw an Indy or F1 car at a drag strip either.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Dec 6, 2016 10:09:39 GMT -7
The stock 4gear dragster tires are taller than .550 so are some of the Door Slammer. Just got some of the cool new speed slicks and mine on a stock 4gear wheel are .666  I have some Door Slammer at .575. The smaller .490/.500 Super Tires are more for inline and xtraction types. The stock AW Super III is I believe .490, I have a set of JelClaw dune buggy tires on cut down Vincent wheels that come in at .510 for that chassis. Just my two cents.
Sam put me down for January 27,28, 29 all entries here by 26th. Classes are Bracket Race, PSO, Match Racing.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 6, 2016 10:46:34 GMT -7
I just took a guess at the size for the dragsters. We must allow for the larger size say .700 max or whatever is figured as the biggest for the class.
Bracket race, first one in awhile, should be fun. I will try to find a consistent car or 2. Will you be running a PSO class + the list races?
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Post by Eagle Racing on Dec 6, 2016 16:19:20 GMT -7
Dave I will be running PSO list, and match races along with the bracket race.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Dec 6, 2016 16:29:00 GMT -7
Sam let's name the race, Blacktop Raceway Classic Bracket Race
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Post by SKR on Dec 6, 2016 17:43:43 GMT -7
Sounds good Robert, I started an entry list thread. What Volts will bracket racing be held at? I figure you'll let the match race contestants decide on what volts they want to run?
Tire Poll is now closed. Members do want a tire rule. I would like Jeff & Kiwi-Dave to work with the members to come up with sizes. All I ask is to keep it simple.
I'll be adding suggested voltages for classes. It will still be the race hosts decision on what volts they will run. This will need to be made clear on the entry list.
As soon as the tire size rules are set, I'll post body rules.
Thanks
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Post by ecbill on Dec 6, 2016 18:54:23 GMT -7
What are the rules for the Bracket Race and which cars will be running in it?
Just a thought concerning the notion of holding a race on a track powered by wall warts. When powering my practice track with a wall wart, some of the the modified in line cars would not go. One of my old Model Motoring Transformers had to be used instead. Considering that, stock or nearly stock classes may be the best choices for those tracks. Having a wart for each lane may be a good idea.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 6, 2016 19:19:57 GMT -7
I agree with that Bill, none of the hot classes such as 2.5 or unlimited will run on low amp wall warts. 2.5 modified's will be slow and the Unlimited's will not even move.
I suggest keeping the tire rules simple such as one max diameter for all classes except dragsters which will have larger diameter tires.
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Post by AJR on Dec 6, 2016 19:38:53 GMT -7
What are the rules for the Bracket Race and which cars will be running in it? Just a thought concerning the notion of holding a race on a track powered by wall warts. When powering my practice track with a wall wart, some of the the modified in line cars would not go. One of my old Model Motoring Transformers had to be used instead. Considering that, stock or nearly stock classes may be the best choices for those tracks. Having a wart for each lane may be a good idea. Anybody that would want run a race on the wall warts would not be able to run any modified classes. They would be limited to stock builds for obvious reason. There have only been a couple of times that has been done. I only mentioned it as an example. |
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