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Post by szzzper on Mar 27, 2020 11:39:00 GMT -7
Seems like there is some interest in an index class do I will include it in my next race. Gale I plan on running all by races at 20 volts so that will be what you need to work with. Should not be to hard to get a car down to 1.0. Even a lot of dead stock inlines can run that. Getting it consistent will be the trick. That’s the challenge, getting them to run a couple thousand to the index, pass after pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:02:54 GMT -7
ya think?
have you gazed upon the results of today's racing hosted by JJWallace?
compare ETs for any one single car through the rounds.
in my experience ( and that might not count for much relating to how slow my cars are today) larger scales were much easier to tune to run identical ETs.
1/64 not so much.
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Post by dave632 on Mar 27, 2020 18:03:09 GMT -7
None of my pancakes would be very good for that class. I will NOT be competing in it but if I did I would run an inline and allow at least a .05 cushion for the car. My 67 Camaro was my most consistent car but it still varied about .06. Getting a car to run within a few thousandths on each pass sounds impossible to me but who knows.
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Post by wbj on Mar 27, 2020 18:03:39 GMT -7
That's the challenge... how to hit a number! Tough to do with a chassis that has no down force. Down force give a more consistent launch and better traction down the track. What ever the index was I always looked for a car that ran faster than that index. I would slow it down by adding weight, blip the controller, throttle stop the controller and a few other tricks. The key was to look for a car that was just a little faster than the index. Say the index was .790, you are looking at car that can no faster than say .750. Than just work your magic and imagination.
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Post by dave632 on Mar 27, 2020 18:07:23 GMT -7
Remember these cars will be started together wide open from start to finish. No driver there to control them. Its all up to the car.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 18:17:26 GMT -7
it IS apples and oranges between running live (where you have your controller in your hand and you wrench on your own car during a race) and proxy (mail in) racing where the race master rigs the cars to start off a common switch or controller , ... or has a friend (or two) stand in as a substitute driver(s).
this is certainly difficult to understand until you enter a proxy event.
and even host one.
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Post by wbj on Mar 27, 2020 18:21:46 GMT -7
Al, I agree... I don't see this working in proxy format.
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Post by AJR on Mar 27, 2020 18:36:09 GMT -7
Everybody keeps talking about a Bracket race wouldn't work for proxy racing and I say again that Between Blacktop Raceway and Bear Creek Dragway we have run several Proxy Bracket races with very good success. It was very competitive, had a great turnout, and was fair to all that entered. But you have to have good drivers to effectively run it. It cannot be done on a switch. I prefer drivers myself anyway....even for heads up proxy racing. But I am talking about a Bracket race not Index Class. I think an Index Class can be done for a proxy race as well and it could be run on a switch. No drivers needed. In fact, I would prefer it on a switch for more consistency. Nobody has ever tried before that I know of. Like Dave632 said...a consistent chassis would have to be used. Well as he also said...Inlines are very consistent and it could definitely be done. Therein lies the challenge. Why did I run a throwback 14v Stock race this weekend? To shake stuff up and get people tuning. I think I achieved that. I think a 1.00 Index Class could be run by proxy. I also think the chassis type should be left open to the discretion of the racer. At 20v I've seen all types of consistent chassis. At 14v not so much. Never say never......
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Post by hairycanary on Mar 27, 2020 21:12:53 GMT -7
I agree with everything Jeff said. The Bracket races that was run all went very good. And I’ve never run a race yet so I’m just saying this from a participant. But to me it looks like a bracket race would be harder run than a regular race. A index race would be no different to run than the races that have been run. It would be harder for the tuner. And almost impossible for the tuner that has no track or timing system. Or if a track of different length. And it would be a class that the race master couldn’t participate in. To be fair anyway😁 I think it would be very challenging and fun. And if it doesn’t go well then we wouldn’t have to talk about it no more😁
Rick
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Post by AJR on Mar 28, 2020 10:52:48 GMT -7
I agree with everything Jeff said. The Bracket races that was run all went very good. And I’ve never run a race yet so I’m just saying this from a participant. But to me it looks like a bracket race would be harder run than a regular race. A index race would be no different to run than the races that have been run. It would be harder for the tuner. And almost impossible for the tuner that has no track or timing system. Or if a track of different length. And it would be a class that the race master couldn’t participate in. To be fair anyway😁 I think it would be very challenging and fun. And if it doesn’t go well then we wouldn’t have to talk about it no more😁 Rick Yes Rick a Bracket Race is more difficult from a Racemaster standpoint. But Irun just the Bracket race, nothing else but maybe some Match races. It can also be more fun with a couple of good drivers you. You start having competitions within the competition for Reaction Times. The first Bracket race we used this elaborate percentage system for the dial ins that Cordell came up with. It worked but was too much. We simplified it after that and it was easier. I run mine open to any chassis and any build. That's why it is so popular. Everybody has a favorite car in the box that never gets to see much track time. That's the time to run it. I see all kinds of stuff. It's very cool. |
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Post by dave632 on Mar 28, 2020 13:17:47 GMT -7
I have run only one bracket race which I remember was won by Eagle. This was several years ago and it was much tougher than a heads up race since you have to have
2 good consistent drivers. I had to cut the pro tree from .4 to .3 then to .2 then down to .1 as at .4 we red lit every time at .3 we red lit most of the time and at.2 we still occasionally red lit. No red lights at .1 however. Bracket racing is much better when you can be there to drive your own car. With Index racing you start both cars simultaneously so a drover is not needed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 15:16:16 GMT -7
I have run only one bracket race which I remember was won by Eagle. This was several years ago and it was much tougher than a heads up race since you have to have 2 good consistent drivers. I had to cut the pro tree from .4 to .3 then to .2 then down to .1 as at .4 we red lit every time at .3 we red lit most of the time and at.2 we still occasionally red lit. No red lights at .1 however. Bracket racing is much better when you can be there to drive your own car. With Index racing you start both cars simultaneously so a drover is not needed. Dave, is it traditional to run dial in bracket races on a "sportsmans" (3 light) tree? |
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Post by dave632 on Mar 28, 2020 17:10:54 GMT -7
Yes Al most bracket races are run on a .500 3 light tree. In the past I had run some quick 8 and quick 16 races with a .400 pro tree where there was a dial in. There you had to
qualify to get into the program, a 12 second 1/8th mile car would not cut it. Usually it took a low .7 or high .6 ET to make the 1/8th mile field.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 18:25:07 GMT -7
OK, gotcha.
we used to run quick 16 races when turnout was low at 1/24 track I frequented before I had my own.
so, yeah, I have bracket raced with a pro tree. not easy.
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Post by wbj on Mar 28, 2020 18:36:35 GMT -7
Yes, all "handicap" racing is done a on a .500 (3 light)tree. Top Dragster, Top Sportsman, Stock, Super Stock, Comp and brackets. Index, Super Comp, Super Gas, Super Street... go on a .400 light tree.
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