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Post by skillet on Mar 20, 2021 17:32:11 GMT -7
I was thinking the same when I started, couldn't figure out willie bars without making a hole. Willie bar holes were ok. Adding magnets was like nonmag to extraction. You could add a magnet like xtraction to the nonmag...
Could be interesting just going stock chassie as it came. That solves the magnets and the 8/20 gearing issue we ran into.
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Post by dave632 on Mar 20, 2021 18:12:58 GMT -7
Pure stock will mean, mass produced, out of the factory no changes except rear tires and they must be the same size or smaller. Only traction magnets allowed would be what it came with, no wheelie bars, nothing but pure stock. Gears will be as it came from the factory, forget the 7/25 rule for this race. As soon as Jeff's race is over I will be posting the rules for the race.
Super Stock will be the catch all for all other chassis that don't fit the Pure Stock rules.
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Post by gnome on Mar 21, 2021 5:22:01 GMT -7
I think you've made a good call on this pure stock class Dave.I see it the same as Pete pure stock to me means mass production cars as they came in the package with the exception of fresh tires
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Post by AJR on Mar 21, 2021 8:45:38 GMT -7
Pure stock will mean, mass produced, out of the factory no changes except rear tires and they must be the same size or smaller. Only traction magnets allowed would be what it came with, no wheelie bars, nothing but pure stock. Gears will be as it came from the factory, forget the 7/25 rule for this race. As soon as Jeff's race is over I will be posting the rules for the race. Super Stock will be the catch all for all other chassis that don't fit the Pure Stock rules. I agree with this and it is as it should be for a Stock Class. The NTRA rule will reflect this as well. I have brought up keeping the .480 max tire with Dave. The NTRA written rules will be changed accordingly. |
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Post by AJR on Mar 21, 2021 9:03:31 GMT -7
No chassis modifications. No holes, no added magnets, no moving of magnets. Rules state traction magnet Yes factory grade only. If the car didn't come with tractions than what is factory grade for that chassis? there would be none therefore none could be added. This is pretty much the way they come out of the package. Super stock is now the class that the changes are allowed you're asking about. That is how I see understand the new guidelines. If modification is to mount body I think its considered non performance and allowed. This is a good interpretation of the Inline Stock rules. But I will be clarifying further to be clear. These are Inline rules not Pancake. Don't confuse or compare the two. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 12:20:31 GMT -7
I have been trying to just learn from all this ....
and if my question has already been addressed, here or in the printed rules, forgive me my indulgence.
are all mass manufactured chassis allowed regardless of brand?
and what numbers determine the cut off for Mass produced?
if not, I would appreciate a complete and totally inclusive list of those prohibited.
I do not intend to take advantage of any grey areas or unintentional mistakes, I need guidance to avoid just such hazards.
it may be simpler to list all specific brands and their specific chassis that are allowed.
I certainly recognize the undertaking involved, original Aurora inline chassis being one that has a lot of variants, and I accept that it might not be possible to narrow down exactly all chassis that might be prohibited or might be allowed.
while some folks view this as being very simple because of their knowledge and awareness of histories of slot cars, others might not be as educated and/or aware.
I know that this has been an attempt to KISS by the admins and I support them in their quest, so maybe KISS will be to limit, specifically, what chassis are allowed in "Pure Stock" class..
I will share that our live racing here had a similar class and we tried to be all inclusive.
there are many differences that can be accounted for the least of which became a huge stumbling block .....
we allowed slip on silicone tires of same diameter as original rubber tires but, alas, the wheels on the Tomy G+ chassis have two ridges that support a hollow tire and no one makes slip on SILICONE tires for that wheel.
to be very clear, JelClaws makes a replacement tire for those wheels, are they SILICONE? or a different compound?
this is just one example of the KISS process not meeting all needs ...
and just before our racing came to an untimely halt, we allowed for different wheels to be used to allow TOMY G+ to use slip on silicone tires that were readily available.
certainly some will view my dissertation as being abrasive or causing trouble.
perspiring minds want to know
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Post by dynomike on Mar 21, 2021 13:29:28 GMT -7
Al, has a very valid point. There are a lot of cars out there that are not on the no fly list but the arms are less than 6 ohms. I dont know which ones they are. A whats legal list would be easier. If its not on the legal list, you cant run it.
Just my humble opinion. Not trying to create waves, just trying to understand.
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Post by sjracer on Mar 21, 2021 14:18:11 GMT -7
As someone who race in Skippack with Al, the Super G plus tire issue was a major sticking point. Without changing the rims the original tires tended to be concaved and I actually remember buying the Jel Claws and they were also not as bad but still concaved.
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Post by dave632 on Mar 21, 2021 14:26:31 GMT -7
If I had ever thought this class would start so much controversy I would never had suggested it. Debating now whether to even include it at my race. Looking doubtful.
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Post by nosubfor3 on Mar 21, 2021 16:07:26 GMT -7
If I had ever thought this class would start so much controversy I would never had suggested it. Debating now whether to even include it at my race. Looking doubtful.Maybe break down the pure stock into two categories. Class "A" inline with traction magnets and "B" inline without traction magnets. As for the SG+ rims have the rules allow for a rim change to accommodate slip on tires. But keep the tire size to the rules. Racing a traction magnet car against a non-traction magnet car is like spitting into the wind. Before my group broke up we had a manufactures challenge. Tyco vs Tyco, LL vs LL, etc,etc. Just a couple thoughts. |
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Post by ecbill on Mar 22, 2021 9:52:26 GMT -7
Dave & Jeff,
Don’t pull the plug on pure stock just yet. Plenty of us are looking forward to an alternative to the all SG+ show. Being a new class with probably upwards of 20 potential platforms eligible, there will be lots of questions requiring rule interpretations and clarification. You two got together and hammered out some good rules. We’ll abide by them. There’s a strong likelihood that some chassis’s will not fit neatly into the rules package. At that point it will have to be determined whether to grant an exception or make the platform ineligible, or uncompetitive.
No rules package is going to make everyone happy and it’s not your job to make everyone happy.
Let’s not let this topic put a damper on Jeff’s event. How about we have some fun racing and shelve this discussion till next week?
Thanks
Bill
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Post by AJR on Mar 22, 2021 10:44:20 GMT -7
Dave & Jeff, Don’t pull the plug on pure stock just yet. Plenty of us are looking forward to an alternative to the all SG+ show. Being a new class with probably upwards of 20 potential platforms eligible, there will be lots of questions requiring rule interpretations and clarification. You two got together and hammered out some good rules. We’ll abide by them. There’s a strong likelihood that some chassis’s will not fit neatly into the rules package. At that point it will have to be determined whether to grant an exception or make the platform ineligible, or uncompetitive. No rules package is going to make everyone happy and it’s not your job to make everyone happy. Let’s not let this topic put a damper on Jeff’s event. How about we have some fun racing and shelve this discussion till next week? Thanks Bill Thank you Bill. |
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Post by dynomike on Mar 22, 2021 11:00:56 GMT -7
What Bill said.😃 I agree.
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Post by mazda on Mar 22, 2021 12:35:56 GMT -7
I also agree with Bill. This could be a really fun and interesting class after all surly pure stock means pure stock, as it came with no modifications or additions.
Let’s all just concentrate on the Bear Creek race first and stop worrying about what might be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 12:46:01 GMT -7
absolutely
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