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Post by AJR on Mar 10, 2021 12:08:45 GMT -7
Everybody has their opinions. Dave and I previously discussed modifying List races and it was decided that we would leave them alone. Let me say this......the List races have been going on for several years now and for the last couple of seasons they have been full or almost full. That tells me that they are still popular. Are they easy to keep up with...not always but they really aren't that difficult and I have been here to help with that. I disagree with the statement that it is easier to run Class racing versus List Racing....speaking for myself. We do need to have a certain number of List races run per year or it's just not worth it. Two or three per year would not allow anyone to move up (or down) in a timely manner. If there is truly a lack of interest then lets get rid of them for that reason. I just posted all of the List Racing rules last year that are in one place and easy to follow. I don't know.....maybe it's time to ditch the idea but it is what brought the forum back together.
We have run the Point Series before and it was a lot of fun..........but it took a LOT of time and effort to keep up with all of it. How do I know this? Because I did it for the majority of the Season because the person running the forum at the time (Cordell) could not keep up with it. The more Classes we are doing a Point Series on means more work. I know Al has offered to keep up with it, but if he is not able to do that then someone else will have to. These are things that will have to be considered when running Point Series races....setting up a points system....number of Classes....etc.
Simple is better......
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Post by AJR on Mar 10, 2021 12:13:57 GMT -7
Dropping the existing lists that have been ongoing for years does not seem right to me. This is what I would like, DROP THE LIST RACING COMPLETELY and run a 3GO and 4GO points series, with the same rules we currently are using since many of us have prepared cars for that. then we could add a Gasser and an Inline series to them. The list challenge has always been a nightmare for me to run anyway. I can run 4 regular races in the time it takes me to run one list race class. |
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Post by skillet on Mar 10, 2021 14:14:42 GMT -7
I think we need to keep the list race. Im just tossing out ideas. I seen the intrest for inline and I agree with, if the list and point race is pancake comp. It starts to blend all the building together. Just trying to figure out how to mix it up.
I also feel we shouldn't jump the gun on a decision. I'm still new and would like to run in the list races with you all the way it is now this year. I believe we can just keep brain storming and what ever is decided could be introduced in the beginning of next year's season.
I Don't think anyone should hold back on their ideas. Put them in here that's what it's all about.
I think tjet gasser and inline peeked some intrest now to figure out how to work it all in.
If you all wanted or if we needed I would be in to hosting an event to take some load off. My biggest hold back is my track itself. I'd much rather have a max track before I ran a race. As of now it's all tomy/autoworld. It works lol.
I could even just do a list race. I'm game for what ever...
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Post by AJR on Mar 10, 2021 17:43:36 GMT -7
I've thrown the Inline idea out there twice now and have had little or no response. I'm a Pancake guy but I just threw it out there because we are running a lot of Pancakes. But there was not any interest both times I brought it up. It seems like Gasser Pancake Comp is hands down the most popular. I'm totally on board with that as well. Next to 4GO, that is my favorite. Dave normally runs the full gambit of Inline Classes at his two events so they are definitely being represented on a top class track.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 17:53:40 GMT -7
OK Idea for points ... to be discussed and fine tuned.
1 point for entering
1 point for each win
1 point for top (#1) Qualifier
2 additional points for runner up (2nd place)
3 additional points for Top Eliminator (winner)
KISS
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Post by dave632 on Mar 10, 2021 19:11:52 GMT -7
What I was saying is switch the current list racing to points series instead, not dropping it completely, which I
would think would be unfair.
Running 4 point series however would be a challenge to keep track of. Personally I can easily run many more heads up
races than I can list races. I do appreciate the help that was given in the past keeping up with the lists.
If this discussion is going to cause friction lets drop it.
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Post by sandfly on Mar 10, 2021 19:54:15 GMT -7
ok from us in NZ. We race all year at our tracks and run a points series for the whole year across 11 classes. Points across the top 4 in each class, 4 for first, 1 for 4th, 1 or 2 cars per driver in each class. We run 4 rounds with a winner in each round, the rounds may differ in numbers of race nights. Talk about bring out the competitive streaks, this helps to improve the performance of the cars and the drivers. Red lights are awarded a punishment either a Lion Red which is a beer here in NZ, a bottle holds 330.mm, or .69 pints for you guys, or a tasty liquor shot. There is no limit to the aptly named punishments either, the other night i think i had 9 red lights, makes for a lot of drinking. Our racing is truly for entertainment but every one wants to win. We have grant who is camp mother and looks after the points table with a report following each nights events. We also have a very relaxed list race at each track if we remember to do it. This has established to get new cars up and on the track. Hope you found this interesting.
PS cant wait for the kiwi challenge to start.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 20:49:05 GMT -7
for the record ...... I am willing to oversee ONE (1) points series.
if there is a desire to do more points series in a given season, someone else will have to step up.
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Post by GTS on Mar 11, 2021 7:28:23 GMT -7
Dropping the existing lists that have been ongoing for years does not seem right to me. This is what I would like, DROP THE LIST RACING COMPLETELY and run a 3GO and 4GO points series, with the same rules we currently are using since many of us have prepared cars for that. then we could add a Gasser and an Inline series to them. The list challenge has always been a nightmare for me to run anyway. I can run 4 regular races in the time it takes me to run one list race class. Whatever is decided, I will do my best to participate and be involved. With that said, here are some of my feelings about what's being discussed. 1 - I would like to see the List Racing remain as is and feel that the PSO & 4GO are a valid format. 2 - I think a Points Series race would be both challenging and entertaining. I prefer the T-Jet Gasser but would participate in an Inline Series also. I think doing both at the same time might be a bit much, for a variety of reasons. I also think the 'keeping track of points' needs to be a KISS method, as Al mentioned. Might be advantageous to have a volunteer keep track of points that is not a race host, if possible.
3 - A small thing but maybe worth considering; with PSO, 4GO & a P.S. race, that's 3 cars plus usually at a minimum, 4 more cars for the other classes offered. That's 7 cars which is a 'tight' pack for a small flat rate box. Especially including sponsor goodies and the like. I for one, am pretty insistent about mailing everything back via priority mail. I know a lot of us include extra for shipping, which is always appreciated! 4 - It would be really enjoyable to get a couple more tracks/race hosts on board. Just casually looking at the calendar, there should be room for 7 to 8 races per year, allowing approximately 6 weeks mail back and prep time between races. I think this would make a P.S. race (Point Series) much more competitive and enjoyable, not to mention overall increased activity.
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Post by AJR on Mar 11, 2021 9:15:57 GMT -7
OK Idea for points ... to be discussed and fine tuned. 1 point for entering 1 point for each win 1 point for top (#1) Qualifier 2 additional points for runner up (2nd place) 3 additional points for Top Eliminator (winner) KISS Love it!! |
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Post by AJR on Mar 11, 2021 9:24:59 GMT -7
Dave maybe you can clarify but you seem to contradict yourself. You say "dropping the existing Lists does not seem right to you" then you say you "would like to drop the List racing completely"?? I don't think that we should drop anything completely just because one person has trouble running them. Maybe we should ask our existing Racemasters (4 of us I think) what they want to do. I don't really care at this point. I just don't want to hear a bunch of List race bashing. If it's time to close List racing then that's easy enough done and we can start at my race. Whatever is decided, I will do my best to participate and be involved. With that said, here are some of my feelings about what's being discussed. 1 - I would like to see the List Racing remain as is and feel that the PSO & 4GO are a valid format. 2 - I think a Points Series race would be both challenging and entertaining. I prefer the T-Jet Gasser but would participate in an Inline Series also. I think doing both at the same time might be a bit much, for a variety of reasons. I also think the 'keeping track of points' needs to be a KISS method, as Al mentioned. Might be advantageous to have a volunteer keep track of points that is not a race host, if possible.
3 - A small thing but maybe worth considering; with PSO, 4GO & a P.S. race, that's 3 cars plus usually at a minimum, 4 more cars for the other classes offered. That's 7 cars which is a 'tight' pack for a small flat rate box. Especially including sponsor goodies and the like. I for one, am pretty insistent about mailing everything back via priority mail. I know a lot of us include extra for shipping, which is always appreciated! 4 - It would be really enjoyable to get a couple more tracks/race hosts on board. Just casually looking at the calendar, there should be room for 7 to 8 races per year, allowing approximately 6 weeks mail back and prep time between races. I think this would make a P.S. race (Point Series) much more competitive and enjoyable, not to mention overall increased activity. I agree with everything said here  !! The only problem I see with running 2 Lists and 2 P.S. Classes is potentially pushing out the individual Class racing. That would be a lot for a veteran Racemaster much less somebody new. Al's KISS rule should probably apply here. Maybe we start with the Gasser P.S. and see how that goes?? |
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Post by AJR on Mar 11, 2021 9:29:39 GMT -7
for the record ...... I am willing to oversee ONE (1) points series. if there is a desire to do more points series in a given season, someone else will have to step up. Applying your KISS rule......I suggest we start with just one and see how that goes. My concern would be getting loaded up on List and P.S. races and not have room or time for individual Class racing.....as I stated in my earlier post. Just thinking out loud here. |
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Post by mazda on Mar 11, 2021 10:44:00 GMT -7
for the record ...... I am willing to oversee ONE (1) points series. if there is a desire to do more points series in a given season, someone else will have to step up. Applying your KISS rule......I suggest we start with just one and see how that goes. My concern would be getting loaded up on List and P.S. races and not have room or time for individual Class racing.....as I stated in my earlier post. Just thinking out loud here. I agree that the list races should stay as they are, they are well tried and tested. Maybe a t-jet gasser could be tried but it would mean a lot more work for the Racemaster. They all do so well organising the events and have their hands full as they are. We all appreciate the amount of work that they put in for us to have our fun. Whatever is decided I will do my best to take part. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 12:15:45 GMT -7
OK everyone,
good! I like the feedback.
I respect the Racemaster's concerns about including too much at one time,
however, the points series doesn't need to be run at every event and could even be included as one of the classes being run at any given event.
please, let us NOT overthink this.
I am not sure how the list racing plays into any of this, it wasn't my intention to meddle with list racing.
I have been contacted about concerns that the list racing will change.
I understand the popularity of list racing and it's place in the hearts of many members of NitroSlots.
finally, it won't break my heart or hurt my feelings if points series never happen.
it came up in discussion based on the two race series that will finalize at Jeff's event later this month and I took the idea and ran with.
certainly, I have been advised, I could have brought this up "behind closed doors" and I apologize for stepping on anyone's toes.
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Post by dave632 on Mar 11, 2021 13:59:42 GMT -7
Seems like keeping the lists as they are is what most racers want. I have been
participating in the lists for a long time and I will continue to do so.
I already have plans for my race in May which should be a fairly large event.
I will not start any new series at that time but I will join in if anyone wants to
start one after that.
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