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Post by TGM2054 on Nov 30, 2014 7:01:19 GMT -7
One thing we did when I was racing 1/24th cars was put a bed sheet in the shut down to stop the cars. It worked really well and didn't damage the cars. Just an idea to consider.
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Post by pceng on Nov 30, 2014 11:55:26 GMT -7
Pulled the arm from road car for reassembling........
33g 4' measured 0.6 ohm on all three poles.......
Putting this and mm's in Wizard Storm chassis....... leaving storm T mags in. Going to install Big Foot brushes. Thinking 7/20 for gears, but its a guess.......
I think Dave , was joking about the bag of parts. All our host tracks take measures to stop cars if shut down is not enough. Even though , entrants in proxy racing have to consider the available shut down (and its safeguards).
I have no.idea if what I'm going to send will stop....... this may help absorbing shock if needed....... after seeing question on mounts & shut down.... I started thinking about Doug's race. I used a rubberized cement on each side of chassis to hold body on car. Several cars made it to catch box but this was the only.one that came back.out as fast as it went in. POW ! every time....... think this was what.broke body.loose on last pass. Nothing was damaged on body or chassis. Just glue broke loose from one side. This stuff (household goop) holds like crazy but stretches. It may have acted like a shock absorber. Not sure and don't know if I'd want to find out. But it might help lessen impact on internal parts.
I've gotten cars sent back damaged from.races........ but sh..tuff happens. It does here at home and elsewhere....... It is something that needs to be accepted when proxy racing. We can't be with our cars to pamper them along..... this needs considering when it comes to what we send to events (Al, mentioned something). A few grains less powder in the shell casings for the bullets. Detuning...... slightly so cars become more consistent. And less apt to detonate internally. Or on wall.
......... Peter
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Post by dave632 on Nov 30, 2014 12:06:24 GMT -7
One question on rules , then more cause I'm nosey. Rules printed out say brushes must fit stock location...... what is this ment to exclude ? Another on rules ........ Is the 3.0 on the arms meant to include Wizard green/wire arms as in the past ? Dave, saw you intend to run Outlaw inlines. Have a few unrestricted road cars figure on morphing one for this. What kind of arms are you running ? My car will probably have a 33g wire arm. I'll check it for ohms when I take it out of chassis. Anybody with any thoughts on tire hardness for this (I'm waiting for more on shut down) ? Never thought about one of these stopping before....... lol. ...... Peter JUST LOOKED IT SAYS , BRUSHES MUST FIT IN STOCK MOUNTS...... is this in regards to altering timing ? Partially. Stationary brush mounting system cannot be altered to advance or retard timing. For such system, timing may be manipulated at armature. Read more: nitroslots.com/conversation/44651?page=4#ixzz3Ka43zljFWizzard non-custom wound arms may be used provided no leg of armature measures lower than 3.0 ohms. The following Wizzard arms are seen as production armatures and considered legal provided they are within the 3.0 minimum limit. Wizzard does not disclose armature ohms rating on web site. I currently have an inquiry in to Wizzard to obtain ohm ratings on the listed items. Until such time as any of the listed items can be ruled out, it is the responsibility of the builder to assure armature used is within specified limits. SP04P Hot Stock Storm/Patriot armature SP04PA Hot Stock Storm Vortex armature (advanced timing) SP04PAL Hot Stock - Only the com is epoxied, not the stacks, the com is diamond trued and arm is balanced. SP05 Green wire Storm/Patriot/Tyco/Mattel armature SP05U Green wire unbalanced Storm/Patriot/Tyco/Mattel arm WS01 Stock Storm armature A3P01 Stock P3/P2 armature Read more: nitroslots.com/conversation/44651?page=3#ixzz3KZssQcMB |
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Post by dave632 on Nov 30, 2014 12:52:21 GMT -7
Al as you do not know me and my sense of humor, I like to keep things light.
I will do my best to make sure every car makes it back in one piece. As JJ states racers will know before the race the track conditions and what kind of shutdown will be available. I am in the process of making changes to the track for more and better shutdown.
I have had amazing success using just cushioning with the tiny 3 foot shutdown. I have pushed up the voltage and even near 40mph I can still stop them with no damage except some bodies coming off. The wide MaxTrax helps alot in keeping the cars separate when stopping. Think I have had only one pair make contact in many hundreds of passes down the track. I will be keeping the voltage down to 20 volts for the race along with the track getting an increased shutdown and improved stopping ability.
I guess everything is relative but when I raced a Pro Mod I saw 40,000 dollar motors and or 200,000 dollar cars destroyed in a few seconds, talk about a bad day. Many of the crazy racers mortgaged their houses to buy those cars and motors. One friend of mine wrecked her car at 200 mph. Fortunately she was OK which in itself is amazing but the car was a total loss.
There is no way me or anyone else can guarantee that no damage will occur to their cars, especially when running these outlaw classes. I am buying several higher dollar armatures for both the pancake and inline classes just for the outlaw race and if one blows up I wont lose any sleep over it. I remember spending a 1000 dollars for a set of pistons for my race car so this is much easier on my pocketbook.
On the go faster side for the HO cars I will have a separate 10 am power supply for each lane and I will add power lines to the middle and end of the race track, to go along with the one at the start, for better power transfer.
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Post by pceng on Nov 30, 2014 13:40:30 GMT -7
One question on rules , then more cause I'm nosey. Rules printed out say brushes must fit stock location...... what is this ment to exclude ? Another on rules ........ Is the 3.0 on the arms meant to include Wizard green/wire arms as in the past ? Dave, saw you intend to run Outlaw inlines. Have a few unrestricted road cars figure on morphing one for this. What kind of arms are you running ? My car will probably have a 33g wire arm. I'll check it for ohms when I take it out of chassis. Anybody with any thoughts on tire hardness for this (I'm waiting for more on shut down) ? Never thought about one of these stopping before....... lol. ...... Peter JUST LOOKED IT SAYS , BRUSHES MUST FIT IN STOCK MOUNTS...... is this in regards to altering timing ? Partially. Stationary brush mounting system cannot be altered to advance or retard timing. For such system, timing may be manipulated at armature. Read more: nitroslots.com/conversation/44651?page=4#ixzz3Ka43zljFWizzard non-custom wound arms may be used provided no leg of armature measures lower than 3.0 ohms. The following Wizzard arms are seen as production armatures and considered legal provided they are within the 3.0 minimum limit. Wizzard does not disclose armature ohms rating on web site. I currently have an inquiry in to Wizzard to obtain ohm ratings on the listed items. Until such time as any of the listed items can be ruled out, it is the responsibility of the builder to assure armature used is within specified limits. SP04P Hot Stock Storm/Patriot armature SP04PA Hot Stock Storm Vortex armature (advanced timing) SP04PAL Hot Stock - Only the com is epoxied, not the stacks, the com is diamond trued and arm is balanced. SP05 Green wire Storm/Patriot/Tyco/Mattel armature SP05U Green wire unbalanced Storm/Patriot/Tyco/Mattel arm WS01 Stock Storm armature A3P01 Stock P3/P2 armature Read more: nitroslots.com/conversation/44651?page=3#ixzz3KZssQcMB Saw this in PM........ All the arms listed except for the green/wire arms are 6 ohm arms. The closest to 3 ohms that Wizard makes is 2.7 ohm green/wire arms. Thought this was like the 5/6 mean green thing. Whatever we call the min. is meant to include......... ISRA , MM/PS is an example....... we have run that now.for some time. I think min is 2.6 ohms. I think until recently the Wizard green/wire was the only arm made in the 3 ohm range for cars with the same brush orientation as Wizard cars. MRT (on Lucky Bob's) is making a 3.5 ohm arm that could work. But if 3 tenths of an ohm is considered an advantage, then 5 tenths is a bigger advantage just the opposite way. From what I've seen with the MM/PS that we race this slight difference leads to no advantage. Both BSRT & Wizard arms have won & lost races. ....... Peter |
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Post by dave632 on Nov 30, 2014 14:25:30 GMT -7
Yes Peter I was joking about the bag of parts.
I don't think a few tenths of an ohm is going to make much difference but I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere. I probably have about 30-40 cars with 6 ohm arms in them and no two run exactly alike, even from one day to another. I have had some cars pick up or lose 3 mph with nothing done to them. I guess they have moods just like we do.
I have had several bodies come off when going into the stop cloth. Most just due to poor design like the old AFX cars and pins coming out of the pinned bodies. Very few actually broke body mounts.
I have blown some tires right off the rims and some rims come off going down the track.
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Post by pceng on Nov 30, 2014 14:36:09 GMT -7
I don't think a few tenths of an ohm is going to make much difference but I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere. No doubt on the line....... just trying to figure if I has changed. Cordell , must have rules coming out his ears by now. This may be something that slipped by & a point that needs fine tuning. Or it may be things to come next season. He'll get back when time permits.... our MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. ....... Peter |
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Post by nosubfor3 on Nov 30, 2014 15:01:22 GMT -7
If I may chime in on this. First I don't think 3 tenths of an ohm really makes a difference. Second maybe we should designate a certain arm for certain chassis.Example, for G+ the high power arm. For wizzard,LL "m",Tyco,Super III,the green wire arm from Wizzard. I think the two are very comparable.If A set arm is agreed on then the skill comes in the set up of the chassis.Not trying to get Nija's head to explode. Just fell if you have a base motor to build from the challenge is the set up to get the most from the motor. Kinda like an IROC race.What ever the dessication I am still in to race.
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Post by dave632 on Nov 30, 2014 17:37:28 GMT -7
Trying to know which arm belongs to which chassis would be tough for me. Using a low ohm reading would be the easiest way. I did not include the stock inline class in my race because of the difficulty of knowing what is stock and what is not.
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Post by pceng on Nov 30, 2014 20:59:53 GMT -7
Trying to know which arm belongs to which chassis would be tough for me. Using a low ohm reading would be the easiest way. I did not include the stock inline class in my race because of the difficulty of knowing what is stock and what is not. Dave , that would be tough for anybody. Arms look so much the same unless cutom. Slight differences in shafts and comm's. Anything with the same brush orientation is probably interchangeable. So it doesn't really mater who's arm is in what chassis as long as it meets specs. For the most part I feel as if we are honor bound to send cars meeting specs to events. Really the best anybody can do is a tech inspection at end. A quick pre-race for tire size. This has to keep everyone happy. And whats the point of using something illegal to win. Thats not accomplishing anything. I guess jf it never happened we wouldn't do tech inspection. The list of arms did make me wonder what would be accepted as stock. All the different "Hot stock" arms are balanced , epoxied , tied that sort of thing. Some have advanced timing. If timing advances are not allowed will these factory balanced versions be allowed in stock class ? |
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Post by dave632 on Nov 30, 2014 21:20:26 GMT -7
Yes Peter,
it can be a real can of worms. I have no idea about what arms are allowed in stock, what chassis they go in, etc. and that is why I avoided running that class.
If we can come up with some easy tech for stock inlines I would surely run a race for them in
the future. Lets say no balancing, 6 ohm minimum, no advance. That would be easy to police.
What does it prove if you win a race by not following the rules. I would surely explain to anyone that was DQ'd why that was done. This does not seem to be a common practice. Anybody can misinterpret a rule so I would explain the reason why any car was not allowed to run.
That is one nice thing about Brackets and Outlaw, no tech or very little tech.
Dave
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Post by pceng on Nov 30, 2014 21:44:04 GMT -7
Forgot to mention I got arm &mags in chassis...... Also forgot the sound ! God I love a screaming inline...........
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Post by dave632 on Nov 30, 2014 22:27:30 GMT -7
They do make a nice sound.
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Post by pceng on Dec 1, 2014 8:26:18 GMT -7
Ok , have t-jet & inline (almost) finished...... have to start looking for AFX/X-TRAC. Have 3.2 ohm advanced arm , need to dig up mm's.
Bracket cars are always ready........ N2 might become experiment. No it will be....... can't make up my mind after looking at rules.
From the looks of those we could have all sorts of chassis competing. Be intresting to see different chassis running together.
........ Peter
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Post by dave632 on Dec 1, 2014 12:23:48 GMT -7
Ordered some arms from BRST for the inlines.
Pancakes from Jim.
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