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Post by ninjatek on Feb 19, 2015 21:57:23 GMT -7
I double checked under the 2015 Winter National rules about the magnets and it says " No Restriction ". So is NoSub right and the other rule book comes into play? Or do i only need to abide by the Winter National rules? Let me know how this works please. It works like this: Almost never are chassis types intermingled in each particular race, brackets being the only exception under current rules. If you look at the 2015 Race Rulesyou will see the classes separated by chassis type. Within the division of chassis types you will see listed the allowable builds for that chassis and class. The poster for the next race lists Stock, Pro Stock, Nostalgia Top Fuel, and Pro Stock M/C. Missing from the poster is nomenclature specifying chassis build. The 2015 Race Directory list all events, classes run, and chassis build. It is probably best to consult this document to determine chassis builds being used in a particular event. I think your confusion is due to some classes are used by multiple chassis types. A simplified way of looking at this is class merely describes the body style being used. While the nomenclature describes the chassis type and build limitations. Chassis types are designated as follows: TJxxx = T-Jets chassis Xxx = AFX/Magna/X-Traction chassis 4Gxx = 4-Gear chassis Nx = Inline chassis (x's indicates build limitations) Here are upcoming event classes along with nomenclature: Stock ( TJ1) Pro Street ( X2) Nostalgia Top Fuel ( 4G5) Pro Stock Motorcycle (exhibition, no nomenclature assigned, but uses N type chassis) NoSub was trying to point you toward those builds in which your current cars are better suited for. All of your cars would need some parts changes to be competitive in this years races. The easiest to do would be to put in some poly mags in your Top Fuel dragsters to run the double header events in August/September. To race some of the other cars would require some more intense mods to be competitive. You are of course welcome to enter your Top Fuelers as they are in May, July, and August/September events, but would more likely end up being the foundation of the qualifying list. Good thing is you will have times to compare to as you improve your cars. Could also obtain proper NFC class bodies to race in International event. Other than body swap no other mods required.
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Post by FlatBlackCamaro on Feb 19, 2015 22:39:04 GMT -7
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Post by dave632 on Feb 19, 2015 22:55:46 GMT -7
From the rules I am reading there is no traction magnet restriction on NTF.
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Post by TGM2054 on Feb 20, 2015 5:01:16 GMT -7
Hey Flat !! Nice job on the Nove, is that a plastic body? Nice job narrowing up the back, only one problem, it looks as though the back tires are riding up on the rails. The four gears are about the only chassis where you can get the back tires up on the rails like that. It'll just spin a lot that way, don't ask how I know, I just do.
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Post by TGM2054 on Feb 20, 2015 5:48:29 GMT -7
DRG stands for Depressed Racer Group, it for guys who haven't won a race, that's why the names are in blue.
Ok, it actually stands for 1/43 Drag Racing Group. As we get older our toys get bigger, because it's easier to see them.
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Post by FlatBlackCamaro on Feb 20, 2015 8:13:59 GMT -7
Ninja,
Ive read all of the rules and even though i dont fully understand some restrictions such as ohming and winding and dewinding of an armature we can simply both agree that as ive only purchased my cars and pulled them from their boxes they should pass all prerequisites. After spending the time and reading over everything i still didnt see where any of the chassis magnets had to be removed, only assuming that the stock magnets that come with an all stock 4G chassis like the ones i own are labeled as " dot magnets " correct?
Looking at the nomenclatures side by side made it easier for me to understand that the larger the number the more modifications that could be made to said chassis type and the smaller the number the more stock the car must remain.
Being as i am as green as the hat of a leprechaun, and im working on trying to fix my drag car, im inexperienced and out of money to put forth in buying parts and modifying the cars i have to be competitive. But i knew that going into the race and im am happy just to be apart, just as youve stated they may not make it through qualifying but from a mechanical stand point i will have a better understanding of how fast the cars actually are AND my kids get to see their names on a screen... Win/Win for me... even if i lose.
Im just gonna bring what i got, and swing for the fence. Thanks for the guidance, it goes appreciated.
NoSub, Thanks for steering me in the correct direction, my understanding before was a bit blurred but now that ive read over everything its cleared up a bit. This being my first week of actual sanctioned slot car racing theres no possible way i can fully understand everything so Thanks for looking out.
TGM, Its a Hotwheels body, as of right now the only plastic bodies i have are stocks. But i like the looks of it, i plan on doing an iroc and a 67 barracuda. I may be able to use the cuda and the nova on the same chassis but i havnt got that far yet. I plan on adding painted turn signals and enhanced graphics to these, ill just be using them here to mess around with. I enjoy seeing the old school cars roll down the track better than i do the funnycar/prostock bodies lol. Im looking into finding something to strip that body of paint if anyone has ideas, i have aircraft stripper in the shop but i was afraid the whole body would melt down.
Depressed Racing Group Eh? LOL where do i sign up? I think when i send these cars off to race ill glue a 1/64th stop sign to the front of each of the bodies so when whomever im racing looks in the rearview to see how far ahead they are they know what to do. LOL
Ahh 1/43 scale, lol cant see the cars... o geez. Take the glasses off the top of your head O.O be 4eyed like me lol. My grampa use to wear his toward the back of his head when i was a kid, i asked him why one day and he did like this.. o.O and said, So i can keep all my eyes on you Boy. LOL
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Post by AJR on Feb 20, 2015 9:09:46 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum Brandon. I was reluctant to interject here because you are already getting direction from so many others, but I haven't seen where anybody has specifically mentioned body types. Maybe I missed it somewhere....if so disregard this. At the top of the rules sheet, right under the 2015 Contemporary Rules title, it says Class Body Descriptions. Not only are there chassis rules for each class being run, there are also body restrictions. The type body that will be needed to run in the N/TF class at the Winter Nationals is a front engined dragster body. Nostalgia dragsters were all front engined. As Ninja was pointing out, that is our unlimited 4g class. Your cars would be legal as long as you have that type of body to go on them. However they would not be competitive, but you are already aware of that. I do not have any extra bodies or I would offer to put one on your cars when they arrive. Don't mean to be a killjoy. Also FYI....Bear Creek Dragway observes the NTRA rules for all events....even our local club races. So there are no special rules for the Winter Nationals. I've been a member of the forum for about 4 1/2 years now and was very green when I got hooked like you. My suggestion is to get a notebook and go thru the forum post by post and write down the locations, etc. Also use the Bookmark feature. Lots and lots of good stuff out there. Forum was started in 2007 so you can only imagine the wealth of info. tucked away here and there. The nuggets aren't always in the tech areas either. Looks to me like you are well on your way to potentially being hooked. Your Nova looks killer....I like that look. TGM pointed out something very important about the tires riding up on the power rails. Lots of traction loss. All you need to do is narrow the tires a little. You also need to keep an eye on the front wheels coming in contact with the pick up shoes when they are narrowed. If you can pull something together for the race that would be awesome and I would be glad to have your cars here. Welcome again.
Jeff
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Post by dave632 on Feb 20, 2015 9:15:00 GMT -7
I have to agree some of the rules have me scratching my head. Double flange wheels are restricted in most classes? What advantage do they give outside of holding a tire on better. I can understand in stock type classes but the rest escapes my logic. Some rules are to keep cost down and that is as it should be. Save those traction magnets in a safe spot as they are a specific size which fit the cars. I bought aftermarket ones which do not fit properly. Once again I do not see in the rules for NTF where traction magnets are NOT allowed. It says NO restrictions which means leave them on or add more. I have seen the traction magnets actually slow down some cars.
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Post by Eagle Racing on Feb 20, 2015 9:24:17 GMT -7
Welcome Brandon, as Jeff pointed out you would need a front engine dragster body. I make them so send your chassis to race. I am also helping Jeff with this race and will put a loaner body on your chassis, problem solved. If you want me to I will look your setup over and tweak what you have. Never can tell just might surprise a few folks....
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Post by AJR on Feb 20, 2015 10:16:35 GMT -7
Welcome Brandon, as Jeff pointed out you would need a front engine dragster body. I make them so send your chassis to race. I am also helping Jeff with this race and will put a loaner body on your chassis, problem solved. If you want me to I will look your setup over and tweak what you have. Never can tell just might surprise a few folks.... There you go Brandon........Eagle has you fixed up. Send your cars and we will make it happen. I may have something I can match race against you for a little added fun. Race is getting closer!!! I love this stuff.
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Post by nosubfor3 on Feb 20, 2015 14:44:02 GMT -7
I double checked under the 2015 Winter National rules about the magnets and it says " No Restriction ". So is NoSub right and the other rule book comes into play? Or do i only need to abide by the Winter National rules? Let me know how this works please. Click on the link for the Nostalgia Funny Car class. Traction magnets are an option. Yes the car will spin alot more with the stock tires. Try sanding the rear tires and do a test run. If you are not satisfied with the results then get your self a pair of silicon tires. ninjatekprojects.com/rule$/4G/4G1/4G1a.pdf
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Post by FlatBlackCamaro on Feb 20, 2015 16:17:05 GMT -7
JJ, Thanks for pointing that out, i knew of the front end dragsters, i was born and raised in Fresno,CA. My dad raced at Lions down in Wilmimgton back in the 70s, being as it closed way before i was born i never got to go but there were plenty of pictures of him racing his green chevelle in the shop i grew up in. I was unaware they were called nostalgia dragsters. Now im picking up on how the races are put together. All Around Rules, Chassis Rules then Body Rules... From all the pictures ive seen it was random bodies vs random bodies so i figured the stock bodies would work and were wrong, i would be willing to guess this is due to weight difference. Makes a little more sense. Ive been saving quite a bit, everyones been real helpful, ive found some good tips in accidental places.
Yep i knew about the tires i mentioned it in the little stuff i have left to do, thanks for the comment on the car, its still a work in progress i plan on changing the color to a candy apple maybe keep the stripes, the tires i was just barrowing from a TF chassis and i didnt want to cut them i was just using them to mock them up, they are about a 16th too wide. I also saw how riding the rails could slow you down in " 4Gear Tips and Tricks " thats a very good thread, you guys have some cool cars. Im going to make the windows darker and try and make a cover so you dont see the chassis through the windows. ill post more pictures as progress continues.
Hey Eagle, Thanks Bud its good to be here, you guys are great. Ive learned alot to many things i was oblivious to lol. Thank You for the offer but i think i will opt out this go around, ill try and catch the next one if i qualify. No worries though ill venture out and get bodies and race with you guys when i can, im personally just not big on barrowing it has absolutely nothing to do with you personally at all and like i said i appreciate the offer.
NoSub, thanks bud i thought it was a option kind of deal, no restriction means you can add more? I could see how moving them would help but i fear more would cause too much downforce only slowing you down. Ive sanded them and have experimented with bleach and 409 ( Yep.. been looking in the past lol ) bleach was almost a given as it softens rubber and that actually helped on a set i tried it on. ill do some more test to see if it lasts.
Thanks for the pdf, thats how ive been keeping all my notes. Ive been inputing them all into Polaris Office 5 on my phone.
-Flat
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Post by pceng on Feb 21, 2015 8:58:03 GMT -7
Hey Flat, Couple of things about pick up shoes should help. Remove carefully , so spring is not lost. Stretch springs to about 1/4 to 1/2 more than original size (carefull to keep ends flat, stretch center coils). Remove plating from all contact points on shoe. Cup in chassis that hold pick up spring. And from inside chassis the brush contacts.
After reassembling put car on piece of track & hold to light. Look at how pick ups are contacting rails. You want whole portion of shoe designed to contact rails to do so. Not just the front or back of contact area. You want to see a wear pattern from front to back for best flow from rails.
......... Peter
Should say adjusting shoes for contact is best done when tire size has been selected. Changes in tire size will alter contact to rails.
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Post by FlatBlackCamaro on Feb 21, 2015 9:41:58 GMT -7
Peter,
Great tips, ive already streched the shoe springs in all cars and pressed the metal tabs down for the brush cups which helps press the brushes to the motor, Worked Great.
Now that you mention it i have a couple cars that only touch the fronts of the shoes and ill be working on fixing that, i also thought of removing the plating but hadn't. I was reading about you and Al talking about silver being the best conductor but copper being the best of the worst simply because its more readily available and ive been giving it some thought as to ideas on a track. Ive also had a few ideas on making these plastic tracks more flat and how to do it.
Ideas: i was reading Lewis talk about tracks and how copper is a better conductor than steel but getting the cars to be attracted to a copper track is impossible with magnets. My thoughts go to Mig wire,copper coated steel core. I would need to ohm some wire to see how good it would be vs my current track but ive also thought about Tig rod... its thicker and same build, again... i would need to test to verify.
Holding the track down: i mentioned working at a hotrod shop and its the basis of this thought. I noticed the 9" straights bow in the center so rather than having a Straight, Flat track you have a drag race in the foot hills. The interior of most cars today is plastic and the kick panels not using screws like they did in the past now use metal anchors. If you pop your kick panel out youll see a metal anchor that has sharp points inward which grab a plastic tab and those pop into a square hole. If you were to make a base out of plywood or whatever your choice and recess the track into your base, you could cut these holes into the base and use the anchors to hold the track down and when maintenance was needed you could pop the track out. They sell the tabs at most autoparts stores by the bag for a few bucks.
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Post by lewis on Feb 21, 2015 10:28:14 GMT -7
Flat you can also use your track on a good straight board and screw it down and counter sink the screws making sure to use a good level to get it rite I think quite a few guys on here have done the same. Check with your local trade school the one here charges $15 plus the material to build whatever you want weather it is a dresser or a slot car track. I'm looking into getting mine done there then running car batteries with some type of voltage regulator so i can set voltage for different races. I'm thinking I'm gonna do a treated 1x6 with mdf on the top and screwed to the board. I will have them cut the slots but i will put some type of rod or wire in for the rails. I will come up with some kind of timing system eventually when money is a little looser.
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