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Post by pceng on Dec 2, 2014 18:59:09 GMT -7
Voltage was at Least 24 volts since power supply was 2 car batters in parallel. My other stock inline I entered at the event was a Tyco 440 and it was way slower. The Tomy Mega G was way faster by at least 2 tenths or more. I get opposite out of cars........ if those were my cars, I'd expect a broken brush. Have had it happen in P2 and thats similar to Tyco. Could be you have freaky fast car , I have cruddy ones....... or brushes could be sticking in tube. ....... Peter
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Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Dec 2, 2014 19:37:20 GMT -7
Maybe, my son got me another one for Christmas so I have to wait and compare.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 2, 2014 22:13:42 GMT -7
I have a stock Tyco, my quickest stocker, (I did change the gear ratio but it did not make that much difference), that runs low .6s consistently at 20 volts on my 15' 7" track. It even dipped into the .59s one time. Several other Tycos dip into the .6s often, mostly mid to high. I will still try one of the Mega Gs.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 2, 2014 22:18:27 GMT -7
two 12 volt batteries ( 990 CCA each) in SERIES for a total of 24+ volts. huge tap wires(4 gauge common and two 8 gauge from the controller stations) all the way past the finish line. yep, more IS more! LOL 4 and 8 gauge wire are huge diameter wires. How are they connecting them to the little track rails and how many connections along the track are there?
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Post by Phantom B.S.E. on Dec 2, 2014 23:28:11 GMT -7
I have a stock Tyco, my quickest stocker, (I did change the gear ratio but it did not make that much difference), that runs low .6s consistently at 20 volts on my 15' 7" track. It even dipped into the .59s one time. Several other Tycos dip into the .6s often, mostly mid to high. I will still try one of the Mega Gs. To me stock is out of the box as is with the only thing changed is slip on silicone tires.
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Post by dave632 on Dec 3, 2014 6:32:07 GMT -7
Gears were worth about .01. With or without still my quickest stocker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 14:03:59 GMT -7
two 12 volt batteries ( 990 CCA each) in SERIES for a total of 24+ volts. huge tap wires(4 gauge common and two 8 gauge from the controller stations) all the way past the finish line. yep, more IS more! LOL 4 and 8 gauge wire are huge diameter wires. How are they connecting them to the little track rails and how many connections along the track are there?
the Wizzard track has pins, somewhat like the joiners that Aurora used on the lock and joiner track they bridge the rails between track sections. so braid was soldered to some of the pins and little slots were cut into the track at the junctions for the braid to hang under the track. the braid is then soldered to the 4 or 8 gauge Monster Speaker wire. on Hanks track there are power taps at the very beginning of the track, 8 feet, 16 feet and just past the finish line at 24 feet. then commences the steel shut down. we have made the positive the common and the negative goes to the individual controller stations. on an O-Gauge aurora track i built I cut away some of the plastic from under the rails (which were replaced with continuous rail) and soldered braid to the rails and then soldered the braid to the power tap wire. in all cases an inline fuse must be put into the common. braid is 1/24 track braid, non-magnetic. when I built 1/24 tracks I would have power taps 12 inches before AND after the start line, that would make it easy to replace those sections. with the launch, the track braid eventually gets burnt and is no longer smooth. so replacement is necessary. after the 12 inch power tap from the starting line the next would be 18 inches, from that the next would be 36 inches and then every 42 inches until just after the finish line 55 feet from the start line. there are motors that draw a tremendous amount of amperage. amperage travels through surface molecules of a conductor. so if have a one piece solid wire 4 gauge, he amperage is traveling only on the outer surface of the wire. if you have many tiny(thin) strands (Monster speaker wire) there are many, many more outside surfaces of molecules for the amperage to travel on, thereby allowing much more amperage availability on the same 4 gauge wire. most electric motors only have a large amperage draw upon starting to rotate. but there are some that demand a lot of amperage the whole RPM scale, there fore the power taps past the timed portion finish line. copy and paste this in a file folder for future reference. LOL also, Voltage runs in one direction, positive to negative .... Amperage runs from negative to positive. understand that most controllers, both resistance and electronic vary the voltage. but there are some that actually vary the amperage to attain the same goal. don't ask how I know and learned this. LOL
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Post by dave632 on Dec 3, 2014 18:18:11 GMT -7
Thanks for the info Al. I plan on running 12 gauge speaker wire to about 4 points along my track. For these tiny motors I think that will be adequate. I have an electronics background and am familiar with what you are talking about. When I learned this stuff a long time ago I was taught that electrons flow from negative to positive but I remember there was some debate about that. Voltage running from positive to negative is new to me but I learned it when Ben Franklin was experimenting with a kite. The 1/24 scale running 55' must have been impressive. OK I will ask, how did you learn this???
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Post by TGM2054 on Dec 8, 2014 16:45:18 GMT -7
Well I started to router the track. I didn't get to far and the router bit snapped. I've got another one so we'll see how that goes. At seventeen bucks a pop I might have to check into a thin kerf saw blade instead. I also ordered some bleachers from the local hobby shop. Hopefully with some warmer weather I can get the frame work for the other two sections put together.
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Post by AJR on Dec 8, 2014 17:16:15 GMT -7
we have made the positive the common and the negative goes to the individual controller stations. Al what is the purpose of making the positive the common and the negative for the controller circuit? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 1:29:51 GMT -7
personal choice. no real reason
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Post by dave632 on Dec 13, 2014 18:06:45 GMT -7
I have a stock Tyco, my quickest stocker, (I did change the gear ratio but it did not make that much difference), that runs low .6s consistently at 20 volts on my 15' 7" track. It even dipped into the .59s one time. Several other Tycos dip into the .6s often, mostly mid to high. I will still try one of the Mega Gs. Got a Mega G today and gave it several test runs. It started out at .95s in the 12 mph range. Thought it needed some break in and it did . After about 10 passes it got down to .83s and near 15 mph. It was out of the box stock, no gear or tire changes.
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Dec 13, 2014 18:35:32 GMT -7
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Post by pceng on Dec 13, 2014 18:35:32 GMT -7
Now that you mention it........... been thinking about Mega G's & Super III's. Someone recently posted about putting a 6 ohm arm in a Super III (stock 9)........ Thinking of putting 3 ohm in both..... could run in N2 classes, but probably be underpowered.
Dave , if you get the chance run a 3 ohm in the Mega G...... and let us know what times you get.
....... Peter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 18:59:17 GMT -7
dave, if you have em, put in sliver brushes and watch the improvement
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Post by pceng on Dec 13, 2014 20:34:14 GMT -7
Al , What do you think of a salt &pepper set-up ? Is it shortchanging oneself. ...... Peter
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