L_Brown
Pro Stock
Larry Brown - North Texas
Posts: 347
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Post by L_Brown on Dec 9, 2010 12:57:23 GMT -7
With the release of the new AW drag sets and cars it seems that interest in the 4 gear cars are up. I was thinking that pro stock cars should be faster than stock cars and funny car faster than pro stock.
I would like to see Pro stocks with hot arms (5.0 ohms) and maybe poly mags, funny cars with a even hotter arms (3.2 ohms) and poly mags.
How about some feed back on this.
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Post by scottman2007 on Dec 9, 2010 13:14:25 GMT -7
Here is my thought on that ,if you start using poly mags,hot Arms then the cost of the car goes way up,and from what I gather,they want to keep the cost down so more people race,
Here is what i will suggest......
Stock.. Pro Stock/4 gear chassis... basically stock like we run have ran the funnys cars.Allow slip on rear silicons tires and thats it.
Funny Car/4Gear Chassis..To keep cost down but will make them alittle quicker,Slip on silicons rear tires,Shunts,and Braids allowed,and also may shim the magnets.and thats it..the car will be faster and you will spend less than $5 to do this.
Just my opinion but i think these would be fun and low cost 4 Gear Classes for everyone to enjoy,To me its not so much the speed or how quick the cars are ,as long as all the cars are fairly close,which makes for some close/fair racing for everyone from Pros to the Novice. I think with these two classes you cant go wrong.
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Post by SKR on Dec 14, 2010 18:01:36 GMT -7
My .02
Have a Door Slammer class that includes Pro Stock, Pro Mod, Nitrous, Blown or Turbo style bodies to run. No Funny Cars or Altereds, just full fendered bodies. Allow Mean Green Arms, Ceramic motor magnets, braids, wheelie bars, gear changes, any tires etc... Just a thought .
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Post by kdog on Dec 14, 2010 19:08:31 GMT -7
It would be interesting (at least to me) to put a blue drag arm in a modern AW 4 Gear. That arm was designed for that chassis to get those big rears moving.
I may have to give that a try will I'm home recouping Knee Surgery.
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Post by charley on Dec 14, 2010 20:04:56 GMT -7
I think scottman2007 has it right on the head. If we, as slot racers, want to continue racing, we have GOT to keep the cost down for the "average" racer. Yea, I want to go fast also, but I have to watch the $$$ too. Why not make a "Pro" class for the ones that want the 3.2 or better arms and the NEO magnets? Just add the word "Pro" to the classes currently run and there you have it. Even I would come up with one, maybe two cars for that class, but most of mine will be the "slower" cars. Just my thoughts.
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Post by TGM2054 on Dec 14, 2010 21:27:29 GMT -7
Being new here I might be out of line but this is what I would find interesting. Pro Stock: Stock arm, can be balanced and trued. Stock magnets, can be shimmed. Stock gears, can be lapped and polished. Stock type shoes and brushes. Stock wheels with O rings and slip on silcones and of course wheelie bars! Funny car would be basicly the same except with a hotter arm,better magnets, braids and any rear tire. As far as bodies Funny cars: 1990-up. Pro Stock, any 1970-up. I`d love to see a Bob Glidden Ford Fairmont or for that matter an Animal Jim Pro Mod Fairmont.
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Post by bondoman2k on Dec 14, 2010 21:46:30 GMT -7
I like Sam's idea!  That's a class I could 'get into'!! ;D Sorta like ADRL's Outlaw 10.5 class! ;D Hmmm..Ford Fairmont..SAM, YOU READING THIS? lol ;D Actually Kdog, been wondering the same thing myself. Actually have a balanced, polished, and bluprinted Blue Drag I still need to use in something. Just wondering if the current gearing and mags would work well with that arm?  Hoping I can get my track finished here fairly soon so I can actually start 'testing' stuff! (btw guys..looks REAL cool too, even tho it is plastic, and it's only an 1/8 mile scale. And yes, as soon as it gets to a 'presentable' stage, I will post pics. ) |
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Post by scottman2007 on Dec 15, 2010 4:57:29 GMT -7
I still say lees is better on the rules,If you allow everything to be changed then its a MOD/Open class.when we were running Tjets for basically everything.the reason behind that was to keep cost down.and i feel if we allow arms, gears,magnets...etc etc.then its basically an open Mod class and the cost goes up,Like I stated before we need rules and fewr Mods,to keep cost down,and to have closer racing,so that Novice or beginners can race and feel like they can be competitive.and lower cost should draw more people to race. i agree with some Mods like i mentioned on funny car. but i think keeping it simplier is better.Look how many stock muscle cars we had for the first time we decided to make that class,it will only get bigger next time and i think its due to not a bunch of mods aloowed.juts my two cents.
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Post by bondoman2k on Dec 15, 2010 6:32:21 GMT -7
I do agree that keeping the cost down is good. But I also feel that we need a mod class or two as well. At this point, everything to me appears to be a 'stock' class with no mods, other than Gassers. No one is going to build a Tjet Pro Mod, as getting the parts needed is hard to do, especially if you don't know that many people racing these. And of course, we pretty much already changed the FC class over to the 4 gears, since getting stuff to build the Tjet FC's was also hard to do. So basically, we now have a stock Tjet class, a stock 4 gear FC class, Rat Rods , which is pretty much a stock AW car, and Gassers, which is a minimum of mods. And a 'stock' musclecar class using Xtraction/Afx CARS. What happened to Super Stock class? I thought that class was growing pretty well? And it IS a 'stock' class! And what ever happened to the Nostalgia ProStock class with Tjet chassis? Sure, there is the ISRA ProStock cars, but not everyone likes inline type cars. Like I said, I do like keeping costs down, but we really do need some kind of modified class other than Gassers. There is another NTRA prob that not sure you guys are aware of. We need tracks! At this point, there are only two tracks scheduled to run proxy races in 2011. Anyone notice that? This is one of the reasons I am so 'gung ho' on getting my strip finished. Sure, it's only scale 1/8 mile, but it is ANOTHER track that could possibly host an NTRA event. It's also another reason that the classes aren't 'growing' as much as they could. At least I think so, anyway. So if any of you guys think you might want to 'host' a proxy race, get ahold of Sam or Ninjatek! Sam isn't actually 'in charge' anymore, but he can get the word out. Ron (Bondo)  Lonestar Racing and Resins |
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Post by scottman2007 on Dec 15, 2010 6:49:00 GMT -7
I guess I do agree with some of that Ron,but i know as of right now there are two track hosting events,440gtx,and RichV,I know Sam stepped down from being head of NTRA,but wont he still host a race? I guess iam for some mod classes,but i dont think everything should be able to be mod. do some mods but keep the cost down.rat rod you have mods in that class almost like Gassers. Its just that to me alot of mods classes Shy people away, maybe we should have a pole on here of what classes or rules changes and see what everybody wants.just a suggestion. |
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L_Brown
Pro Stock
Larry Brown - North Texas
Posts: 347
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Post by L_Brown on Dec 15, 2010 8:49:54 GMT -7
A lot of good idea's. I just think that we should have some class's that are not stock.
Super Comp - stock arms and mags.
Pro Stock - arms
Funny Car - arms, mags
Any class you can change or modify the wheels and change the tires.
These cars look good if you narrow the wheels and slam the body like it should be.
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Post by gonegonzo on Dec 15, 2010 17:21:14 GMT -7
WOW ,
Lot's of good info flitting around and everyone's in a tizzy now that the AW drag track is here .
I agree that we should keep it as affordable as possible . There is however a lot we can do that costs 0$$$$ such as shunts , balance etc .
We do need to cater to the 4 gear chassis as it's the one the drag track is based on .
With all of the rules aside and I don't want to hijack this thread , my big hope is that the AW track will be our vehicle out of racing Proxy races . Aheeemmmmmm , I hate em ! Maybe this will give others incentive to join in this hobby and we can race head to head .
Thx ,
Gonzo
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Post by rickvoegelin on Dec 15, 2010 18:01:36 GMT -7
I do agree that keeping the cost down is good. But I also feel that we need a mod class or two as well. What happened to Super Stock class? I thought that class was growing pretty well? And it IS a 'stock' class! And what ever happened to the Nostalgia ProStock class with Tjet chassis? There is another NTRA prob that not sure you guys are aware of. We need tracks! At this point, there are only two tracks scheduled to run proxy races in 2011. Ron (Bondo) Lonestar Racing and Resins I'm with Ron on this one. We need more tracks, more races, and more racers, not more classes. The NTRA class structure that John, Kdog, Sam, and others worked out is darn near perfect -- it's a ladder that goes from practically box stock to highly modified. The 4-Gear NF/C cars and the X-Trac Musclecars are a blast. Often when a new class is proposed, there is a flurry of interest and lots of discussion -- yet when it comes time to race, it usually comes down to the same 12-16 guys who send cars and actuallly compete. I'd love to run the Super Stocks and Nostalgia Pro Stock cars that we raced this year, but as it stands now, there's not one event for these classes in 2011. I recognize that some racers are on a tight budget. But in the big picture, a slot car drag race is a pretty cheap date -- building a car for most classes is less expensive than a night at the movies with a burger and a box of bad popcorn. As others have pointed out, many of the mods cost absolutely nothing. Balancing arms, braiding shoes, etc. is time, not money. And it's cheaper to balance an arm than to sort through dozens to find one that's naturally balanced. Please don't take this wrong -- I love 'em all, T-jets, X-Tracs, 4-Gears, and inlines. I'll race whatever, whenever, and wherever there's a race. It's my belief that we, as a group of Nitroslotters, need to support the classes we've already got with more tracks and races rather than constantly create new classes in the hope that we'll attract more racers. My $.03, Rick V. |
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Post by SKR on Dec 15, 2010 18:38:50 GMT -7
Lots of good ideas here. I think the NF/C and Muscle Car classes are pretty much entry level classes that are cheap and easy to get into so I'd like to see something a little different than what these two classes were based off of. I like the thought of a Door Slammer class that allows Pro Stocks and Pro Mod bodies. Guys like Bondo, Hairy and myself are working on some new P/S and P/M bodies so there will be some more options to choose from. I wouldn't want to spend $25 for a custom wound armature so that's why I suggest the Mean Green armature that cost $4.69 from Lucky Bob's. Scott, We are holding a race in 2011, Take a look here: nitroslots.com/index.cgi?board=ntra&action=display&thread=2148 |
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Post by SKR on Dec 15, 2010 18:53:57 GMT -7
More tracks to hold events would be nice and that is a great observation about how we talk alot about building new classes but yet have less tracks this upcoming year and not enough events to run all the NTRA classes. I still like some of these other classes and like Rick said, I'll race anything. Thats the last of my penny's. I'll sit back and see what Larry and you guys come up with.  |
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That's a class I could 'get into'!! ;D Sorta like ADRL's Outlaw 10.5 class! ;D
Hoping I can get my track finished here fairly soon so I can actually start 'testing' stuff! (btw guys..looks REAL cool too, even tho it is plastic, and it's only an 1/8 mile scale. And yes, as soon as it gets to a 'presentable' stage, I will post pics. 
